If you’re a seasoned practitioner in the language it’s probably sitting around 1-2%, because it can help with some code conversions. Copilot code completions are amateur. For .net resharper/rider etc is actually a much better option than copilot, practical use of that is probably around 15% productivity increase.
Copilot does help if you don’t know the language or technology, which maybe commbank staff are not skilled up enough? ;) On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 at 6:27 pm, DotNet Dude via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote: > I’m not a subscriber to read the entire article but 30% is a load of BS at > this stage > > On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 at 15:18, Tom Gao via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> > wrote: > >> Here's the article. >> >> >> https://www.afr.com/technology/commbank-claims-ai-is-already-making-it-work-30pc-better-20240206-p5f2uu >> >> So what does everyone think about the claim that 30% efficiency? ie to me >> as head of IT instead of hiring 10 developers to build applications now >> only 7 is required. To me that just doesn't seem realistic. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 3:04 PM Tom Rutter via ozdotnet < >> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 12:32, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet < >>> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Worse, in the baseball umpiring exam I mentioned, someone said to me >>>> “isn’t that what you’d get if you just asked a whole lot of fans about the >>>> rules rather than asking umpires?” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> There’s probably something important about that. How does it know which >>>> of the material it was trained on is valid? >>>> >>> >>> Yep that’s the thing, it doesn’t actually know what is “valid”. From >>> what I understand it just gets “pushed” in certain directions during >>> training and not in all cases obviously. >>> >>> My experience with things like ChatGPT so far basically brings it down >>> to a better Google really. Early days >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr Greg Low >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile >>>> >>>> SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sqldownunder.com_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=o3oFliHztOF8D9Nbqaa7KQdqC-zkQNXWl4IqnEG58Wc&e=> >>>> | >>>> About Greg: https://about.me/greg.low >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_greg.low&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=NsAibgiqfCxsyc8m2DBKogKQcs3OqE3mkyCjmpoYxTk&e=> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* mike smith via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2024 12:19 PM >>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> >>>> *Cc:* mike smith <meski...@gmail.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: AI >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "old system views" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That makes me wonder if it has any way of differentiating between >>>> something it found from a decade ago to more recent data. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, 11:43 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, < >>>> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Tom, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For me, it depends what you want it to do. It certainly can appear to >>>> help someone who’s new to an area. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For most code writing, I’ve been pretty underwhelmed. As an example, if >>>> I ask it to write SQL, I get a very poor outcome. It will use old >>>> deprecated views instead of the current system views (that have been around >>>> for a decade), and often does things in a convoluted way. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What I have been impressed with, is how it can help you understand >>>> acronyms, etc. Quite amazing. I’ve also been pretty impressed with using it >>>> go generate some test data, including in multiple languages. And the test >>>> data is fairly believable. If I ask it for family names, and I also ask for >>>> Chinese, it does pick common Chinese family names in the test output. >>>> That’s pretty impressive. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It can do a reasonable job of things like “here’s some DAX code, can >>>> you simplify it?” It often can. Or “here’s a regular expression, can you >>>> explain what it does?” and it does that just fine. I’ve seen people happily >>>> using it to explain code that they don’t understand, or to (sort of) >>>> document some code. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But it also is so confident on things, yet so wrong. I gave it a 25 >>>> question baseball umpire test the other day. It was 100% confident >>>> sounding, but 40% correct. The weird thing is that some of the questions >>>> that it got right, are things that new human umpires often get wrong. Yet >>>> for simpler questions, it would say that something legal is illegal. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It’s certainly interesting, but it’s very much a work in progress. It >>>> will be part of our futures. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr Greg Low >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile >>>> >>>> SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sqldownunder.com_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=o3oFliHztOF8D9Nbqaa7KQdqC-zkQNXWl4IqnEG58Wc&e=> >>>> | >>>> About Greg: https://about.me/greg.low >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_greg.low&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=NsAibgiqfCxsyc8m2DBKogKQcs3OqE3mkyCjmpoYxTk&e=> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Tom Gao via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2024 11:58 AM >>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> >>>> *Cc:* Tom Gao <t...@tomgao.com> >>>> *Subject:* AI >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi guys, I haven't posted in a few years and haven't been on the tools >>>> for a long time now as well. I'm on a panel on a digital conference coming >>>> up in march. We had a pre meeting today and the topic of AI came up. Two of >>>> the panelist said cited CBA and Westpac using AI and were able to save 30% >>>> on development effort. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Personally I just finished an AI course my view is quite the opposite. >>>> My personal opinion of the generative AI space and AI in general having >>>> spent time with the academics is that the benefits are significantly over >>>> inflated. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I want to get some other opinions if you are seeing any significant >>>> benefit and that I may be just out of touch or not aware. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ozdotnet mailing list >>>> To manage your subscription, access archives: >>>> https://codify.mailman3.com/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ozdotnet mailing list >>>> To manage your subscription, access archives: >>>> https://codify.mailman3.com/ >>> >>> -- >>> ozdotnet mailing list >>> To manage your subscription, access archives: >>> https://codify.mailman3.com/ >> >> -- >> ozdotnet mailing list >> To manage your subscription, access archives: >> https://codify.mailman3.com/ > > -- > ozdotnet mailing list > To manage your subscription, access archives: https://codify.mailman3.com/
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