It may be sad to see that from an engineering perfection based reality. In the 
end though "good enough" is a mantra that the corporate world often sprouts 
daily. It frustrates me at times to see folks paralyzed by catering to the 100% 
consumer at the cost of impacting progress in other areas where in reality if 
they could bring it up higher in terms of UX especially it would yield a much 
more enriching result.

Govt websites annoy me to no end due to this. They pander to the lowest common 
denominator simply because they have a community based responsibility to do so, 
but at the greater cost of the citizens who don't need to have a reduced 
experience.  Whilst progressive enhancement is a theory in motion today that a 
few book authors soapbox over, the degrees of the right part vary depending on 
the person(s) behind the keyboard who architect these solutions. As one hand 
what is a device vs. PC today?

In that am i expected to use GraysOnline via Safari on the iPhone or is it fair 
to say that an iPhone based app (both web app or hard install app) is warranted 
in this case?

What about screen resolutions?
I'm on a higher resolution that 1024x768, but it clearly panders to users who 
aren't on my settings. Now given I'm on a higher resolution means i have to 
concentrate more to accommodate the lack of spatial usage for my monitor. Why 
doesn't sites grow depending on the pixal ratio / settings of end users 
monitors as despite technology pro's and cons of how it gets painted on a 
screen, this is realistically the most obvious and essential part of an end 
users usage of a site - "The window in which they view me"

At what point do you draw the line and go "ok, No" is my point ;)



From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Winston Pang
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:58 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site

I do admire that gray's online can gracefully degrade so well. But as much as 
we'd all like to design our sites to cater for every population, are customers 
even willing to pay more to have support for non-javascript users, I've found 
that development companies, all want to minimise development cost, to have a 
bigger profit cut. It's just so sad sometimes.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Tatham Oddie 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yahoo have a bunch of data around this.

During the development of graysonline.com<http://graysonline.com> we decided to 
support
non-JavaScript users because they represented a significant enough
percentage of our user base. Try it - disable JS in your browser and
everything will still work.

Progressive enhancement is the only way to develop for the web. :)


Thanks,

Tatham Oddie
au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 422 7068, skype: tathamoddie,
landline: +61 2 8011 3982, fax: +61 2 9475 5172
my business: tixi.com.au<http://tixi.com.au> - Ticketing without the dramas

-----Original Message-----
From: 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
 On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 11:41 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site
7% where did you get that stat from?

Is that 7% geo-specific? in that would say China bump that number into the
higher 7 percentile bracket, meanwhile 90% of the US is in the lower 2%.
Assuming its a flat 7% across all countries, now comes the potential vs
reality question.

In that out of that 7% what is the potential of buying / actionable customer
base vis the reality of 7% of users not caring?

If i said to you that i can reach 400million customers tomorrow in total,
and yield say 48% return on actionable events, vs i can target 1billion
tomorrow with a 48% click through, how would that change your ROI
assessment?

What works for Honda doesn't necessarily work for Ford is my point :)


________________________________________
From: 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
[[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
 On Behalf Of David Connors
[[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:34 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site

2009/12/2 Scott Barnes
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>
Most of the research I've read / conducted around "plugins + risk" has
constantly shown that the average user will install anything put before them
provided they get access to the context of what they were seeking.
400million+ installs of Silverlight testifies to this behavior.

If you use javascript you lose up to 7% of users because their browsers
either don't run it, have it turned off or have McAfee/Norton/Whatever
"screw with my Internet experience 2009 edition" installed.

Let me explain that to you in another way: If you are going to sell $1 000
000 worth of stuff in a year on your site, then you will be immediately
flushing $70 000 of your revenue down the can. If you're paying $ to acquire
a lead, you're throwing out $7 in every $100 of your EDM budget.

And I'm just talking about JS.

Sending out marketing and then presenting customers with an Install button
instead of a sales call to action is crazy.

Don't get me wrong, SL and Flash have their place and I love
kongregate.com<http://kongregate.com><http://kongregate.com> - but as an 
adjunct, not an impediment
to a transaction.

--
David Connors 
([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>)
Software Engineer
Codify Pty Ltd - www.codify.com<http://www.codify.com><http://www.codify.com>
Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417
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