ok, thanks for the effort, and looking forward! On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:54 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes! It will take a little, I guess it could be interesting to write it > with people from the FEC and I will email them in order to do it :-D > > On 2016-11-26 05:54, Michel Bauwens wrote: > > and perhaps you could be writing something on this David, for publication > also on the p2p blog ? > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 8:27 AM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Well Michel, that is precisely the interesting thing that is changing: >> egalitarian communities are not local nor agricultural only any more, in >> fact transnationalization and digitalization with some global mutual >> mechanisms is on the move: >> >> The FEC has a mutual system since before we met them by firsttime, but >> they were rural productive communities mainly and the few urban groups they >> had were income sharing but not work sharing and because of it not related >> with productive p2p technologies. But... this changed when they started to >> create new urban communities two years ago: with the city came the >> digitalization and the concerns of expanding the commons logic towards new >> commons. >> >> And if it wasnt interesting enough, the progressive and simultaneous >> urbanization of Kommunja network in Germany gave place this last Summer to >> a movement towards the FEC in order to have more intense relations with the >> horizon of economical cooperation. >> >> We are talking here of the first steps of a transnational network with >> hundreds of people in USA and Germany, with a «sharing everything» economy, >> creating a common mutual system and increasingly arriving to the world of >> p2p production and digital commons. I guess this is pointing closer to the >> phyle as a possible reality in the short term than any other example I have >> heard of... >> >> On 2016-11-25 12:38, Michel Bauwens wrote: >> >> dear David,. >> I would see a rather big difference between the locally-based intentional >> communities based on intense and local community-based collectivism, and >> the peer production phyles that are based on open contributions. They are >> both legitimate, but they are very different beasts. I wonder if it's a >> good idea to have them both at the same table from the very beginning. >> >> PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and goals are so >> different. They predate the network age, and often have no intention to >> project systemic power at the global level, which is my aim in this >> gathering of proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical >> entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer production. >> >> Any encounter between them and localized intentional communities I would >> see as a eventual later step, >> >> furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to june 15 will >> be severely constrained by the ambitious project in Ghent, >> >> Michel >> >> Michel >> >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> So great!! >>> >>> I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the egalitarian communities >>> already in motion (the FEC in USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the >>> Alps) and some interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar, >>> Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting approaches between >>> all of them and some of them, as The FEC, already have internal mutual >>> systems between their communities. >>> >>> Do some of you want to lead such a meeting? >>> >>> If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no, I could ask my >>> fellow indianos and look for a date during... ¿springtime? >>> >>> Big hug! >>> >>> David >>> >>> On 2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>> >>> dear David and friends, >>> >>> I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the >>> city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), >>> >>> one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based >>> programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment >>> not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for >>> blue-collar communities, >>> >>> see here an article more or less expressing the same thought: >>> >>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-ma >>> ssive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25 >>> >>> Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 >>> days a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european >>> cooperative structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create >>> a Commons Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe, >>> >>> I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the >>> earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at >>> some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do? >>>> >>>> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>> >>>> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact Hub >>>> is extractive. >>>> >>>> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is >>>> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and >>>> participative model .. >>>> >>>> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses >>>> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under >>>> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events >>>> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from >>>> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively >>>> low pay, >>>> >>>> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of >>>>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of >>>>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to >>>>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity. >>>>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that >>>>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care >>>>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit, >>>>>> though). In what way are they extractive? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business >>>>>>>> eco-system >>>>>>>> for a community and its commons >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to >>>>>>>> separate it >>>>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including something >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual >>>>>>>> partners? What >>>>>>>> do you think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it >>>>>>> from the >>>>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite >>>>>>> its >>>>>>> original good intentions .. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic >>>>>>> networks would >>>>>>> be very welcome: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that >>>>>>>> direction ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Big hug >>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great Michael! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >>>>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the >>>>>>>>> nucleus >>>>>>>>> going in that direction. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation >>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>> proto-phyles ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally >>>>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if >>>>>>>>> they were >>>>>>>>> more fully developed etc .. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus >>>>>>>>>> as ours, can >>>>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of >>>>>>>>>> commons >>>>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, >>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From >>>>>>>>>> its very >>>>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an >>>>>>>>>> alternative to >>>>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) >>>>>>>>>> welfare state >>>>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security, >>>>>>>>>> health, >>>>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of >>>>>>>>>> movements, etc.) >>>>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to >>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while >>>>>>>>>> constructing a >>>>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't >>>>>>>>>> like PDFs >>>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>>>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> Englisch >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >>>>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. >>>>>>>>>>> Sie sind >>>>>>>>>>> vom >>>>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder >>>>>>>>>>> direkt unter >>>>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Deutsch: >>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf >>>>>>>>>>> Englisch: >>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>>>>>>>>> ation.pdf >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: >>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/ >>>>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: >>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/ >>>>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>>>>>>>>> Alles. >>>>>>>>>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver >>>>>>>>>>> buende >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Responses inline. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption >>>>>>>>>>>>> demands. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The real >>>>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >>>>>>>>>>>>> services (as >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>>>>>>>>>>> economy). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which >>>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within >>>>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are >>>>>>>>>>>> starting up, >>>>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >>>>>>>>>>>>> productive >>>>>>>>>>>>> coin. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>> the path >>>>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call >>>>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >>>>>>>>>>>>> translate) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "How we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations". >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my/2016/02/10" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp», >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content >>>>>>>>>> commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>>> ns >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> http://commonstransition.org >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> >> > > > -- > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://commonstransition.org > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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