thanks Robert, by the way, not sure I extended the invitation to our manuscript on how to envision a strategy for commons transition ?
let me know if you're interested, it's a google doc, Michel On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Robert Pye <[email protected]> wrote: > How exciting. Looking forward to helping in any way I can ;-) > > Well done to you. > > On 25 November 2016 at 09:51, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> dear David and friends, >> >> I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the >> city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), >> >> one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based >> programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment >> not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for >> blue-collar communities, >> >> see here an article more or less expressing the same thought: >> >> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump- >> massive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25 >> >> Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 days >> a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european cooperative >> structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create a Commons >> Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe, >> >> I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the >> earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at >> some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that, >> >> Michel >> >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do? >>> >>> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>> >>> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact Hub >>> is extractive. >>> >>> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is >>> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and >>> participative model .. >>> >>> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses >>> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under >>> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events >>> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from >>> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively >>> low pay, >>> >>> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of >>>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of >>>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to >>>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity. >>>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that >>>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care >>>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit, >>>>> though). In what way are they extractive? >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business >>>>>>> eco-system >>>>>>> for a community and its commons >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to >>>>>>> separate it >>>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including something >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual >>>>>>> partners? What >>>>>>> do you think? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it from >>>>>> the >>>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite >>>>>> its >>>>>> original good intentions .. >>>>>> >>>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic networks >>>>>> would >>>>>> be very welcome: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that >>>>>>> direction ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Big hug >>>>>>> David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great Michael! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >>>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the >>>>>>>> nucleus >>>>>>>> going in that direction. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation >>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>> proto-phyles ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally >>>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> more fully developed etc .. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as >>>>>>>>> ours, can >>>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of >>>>>>>>> commons >>>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no >>>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From >>>>>>>>> its very >>>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an >>>>>>>>> alternative to >>>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) >>>>>>>>> welfare state >>>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security, >>>>>>>>> health, >>>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of >>>>>>>>> movements, etc.) >>>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to >>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like >>>>>>>>> PDFs >>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in >>>>>>>>>> Englisch >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >>>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. >>>>>>>>>> Sie sind >>>>>>>>>> vom >>>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt >>>>>>>>>> unter >>>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Deutsch: >>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf >>>>>>>>>> Englisch: >>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>>>>>>>> ation.pdf >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: >>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/ >>>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: >>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/ >>>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>>>>>>>> Alles. >>>>>>>>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver >>>>>>>>>> buende >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Responses inline. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption >>>>>>>>>>>> demands. >>>>>>>>>>>> The real >>>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >>>>>>>>>>>> services (as >>>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>>>>>>>>>> economy). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which >>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within >>>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting >>>>>>>>>>> up, >>>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >>>>>>>>>>>> productive >>>>>>>>>>>> coin. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> the path >>>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call >>>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism. >>>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >>>>>>>>>>>> translate) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations". >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my/2016/02/10" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp», >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content >>>>>>>>> commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>>> ns >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>> ns >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> http://commonstransition.org >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > > *Robert Pye* > Co-Founder > > > *Ethos Valuable Outcomes <http://ethosvo.org>* > > M: +44 [0]7785 975632 | O:+44[0]20 328 92871 | [email protected] | > Skype: robertpye > > *Solving complex problems through collaboration, trust and moderation* > > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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