On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> wrote:
> > but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business eco-system > for a community and its commons > > > I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to separate it > from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including something about > identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual partners? What > do you think? > Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it from the extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite its original good intentions .. by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic networks would be very welcome: https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures Michel > > > > > for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that direction ... > > > Great! > > Big hug > David > > > > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Great Michael! >> >> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the nucleus >> going in that direction. >> >> Would you make the honours? :-D >> >> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >> >> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation between >> proto-phyles ... >> >> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally >> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >> >> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they were >> more fully developed etc .. >> >> Michel >> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not about >>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as ours, >>> can contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of >>> commons based projects, Am I right? >>> >>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no >>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From its very >>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an alternative >>> to national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) welfare >>> state and take responsibility for its own members (social security, health, >>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of movements, etc.) >>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to have a >>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing a >>> money-free economy in its interior. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>> >>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>> >>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>> >>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like PDFs >>> ;) >>> >>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in >>>> Englisch >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>> >>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >>>> > OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>> >>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. Sie sind >>>> vom >>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt unter >>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>> >>>> Deutsch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund >>>> .pdf >>>> Englisch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>> ation.pdf >>>> >>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>> Christian >>>> >>>> -- >>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- [email protected] >>>> --------- >>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: www.keimform.de/2013/freie-que >>>> llen-1/ >>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: www.keimform.de/2013/free-sour >>>> ces-1/ >>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>> 0x980FA6ED -- >>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>> Alles. >>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsverbuende >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Responses inline. >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> Dear Bob, >>>> >> >>>> >> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess we >>>> are still >>>> >> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption demands. >>>> The real >>>> >> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >>>> services (as >>>> >> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>> economy). >>>> > >>>> > I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which could be a >>>> > place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks. >>>> > >>>> > Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that is not >>>> > coordinated very well between groups or often not even within groups. >>>> > The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do not >>>> > talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting up, >>>> > that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>> > >>>> > Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>> > >>>> >> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, but >>>> I guess >>>> >> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >>>> productive >>>> >> coin. >>>> >> >>>> >> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism as >>>> the path >>>> >> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call post-laborism. >>>> Please >>>> >> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >>>> translate) >>>> >> >>>> >> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, will study. >>>> > >>>> >> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How we >>>> can >>>> >>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>> >>> organizations". >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>> >>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Could this be it? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>> y/2016/02/10 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> See the section entitled >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo >>>> my/2016/02/10" >>>> >>>> and my comment below: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> dear David, >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 to go >>>> <g>, >>>> >>>>> and >>>> >>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following which >>>> I will >>>> >>>>> process in a moment. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a common >>>> skype >>>> >>>>> with >>>> >>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for Ethos, >>>> you and >>>> >>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? And >>>> then >>>> >>>>> see >>>> >>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of alignment >>>> >>>>> between >>>> >>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>> coordinating >>>> >>>>> any >>>> >>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our >>>> recently >>>> >>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special >>>> thought in >>>> >>>>> his >>>> >>>>> remembrance, >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Michel >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, reflects >>>> a >>>> >>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we are >>>> >>>>>> experiencing >>>> >>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a closer >>>> >>>>>> relation >>>> >>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by first >>>> time in >>>> >>>>>> many >>>> >>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only a >>>> day, and >>>> >>>>>> the >>>> >>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we thought: >>>> there >>>> >>>>>> are in >>>> >>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it in >>>> >>>>>> Switzerland >>>> >>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P theoritical >>>> camp», >>>> >>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of the >>>> >>>>>> disenchanted >>>> >>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between the >>>> majority >>>> >>>>>> of >>>> >>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE >>>> >>>>>> ORGANIC >>>> >>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P Foundation, >>>> and I >>>> >>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in the >>>> just >>>> >>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can perhaps >>>> let them >>>> >>>>>> know >>>> >>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, also >>>> shows a >>>> >>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for the >>>> >>>>>> strengthening >>>> >>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very >>>> precise >>>> >>>>>> strategy >>>> >>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I >>>> posited, >>>> >>>>>> along >>>> >>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the practice, >>>> and >>>> >>>>>> the >>>> >>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the same >>>> >>>>>> direction >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in >>>> which I'm >>>> >>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of Kojin >>>> >>>>>> Karatini .. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, there >>>> is >>>> >>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, which is >>>> >>>>>> thinking >>>> >>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >>>> commons, in >>>> >>>>>> a way >>>> >>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to flower >>>> and .. >>>> >>>>>> THIS IS >>>> >>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no differences >>>> between >>>> >>>>>> the >>>> >>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving broadly in >>>> the >>>> >>>>>> same >>>> >>>>>> direction . >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these >>>> groups, but >>>> >>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do seem to >>>> travel >>>> >>>>>> .. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>> conference in >>>> >>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could be an >>>> >>>>>> occasion >>>> >>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>> >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-comp >>>> lete-list/ >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>> >>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-comp >>>> lete-list/ >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation <http://p2pfoundation.net/>. >>> Director of content commonstransition.org >>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> >> > > > -- > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://commonstransition.org > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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