so this rejoins a bit my own feeling, I feel it's best to proceed right away with the already global proto-phyles, i.e. Enspiral, Las Indias, Ethos, Sensorica (P2P Foundation as civic equivalent), who else,
and in a second time, develop relations with the kind of intentional communities that David is suggesting, Michel On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Few years go I reached out to Transition Town type groups for > collaboration with SENSORICA, introducing them to the *global commons > local economy concept*, OVN, infrastructures for collaboration, open > source hardware for agriculture... I got a lot of push back from them, > mainly because they were not interested in technology and things beyond > local. They were more into resilience, which means local resources, local > means, local relationships. I found myself barking up the wrong tree and I > shifted my attention to other communities. > > Recently, some of them came back to knock on our doors again and > manifested some interest to collaborate, but no concrete projects have been > created between SENSORICA and these organizations yet. > > David, I do see some change in their mentality, but still nothing very > concrete. > > Is the time ripe for getting p2p groups together with local resilience > groups? I can't tell, but I feel that there certainly some risk involved. I > can propose a methodology though. > > - Make a list of p2p communities with a global vision. > - Ask them to identify resilience communities that they are already > interacting with, who already see it and understand the value of global > open networks, their infrastructure, their production, ... > - Contact only these resilience communities that are already sitting > at the table with global p2p communities to invite them at the table. > > > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> and perhaps you could be writing something on this David, for publication >> also on the p2p blog ? >> >> On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 8:27 AM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Well Michel, that is precisely the interesting thing that is changing: >>> egalitarian communities are not local nor agricultural only any more, in >>> fact transnationalization and digitalization with some global mutual >>> mechanisms is on the move: >>> >>> The FEC has a mutual system since before we met them by firsttime, but >>> they were rural productive communities mainly and the few urban groups they >>> had were income sharing but not work sharing and because of it not related >>> with productive p2p technologies. But... this changed when they started to >>> create new urban communities two years ago: with the city came the >>> digitalization and the concerns of expanding the commons logic towards new >>> commons. >>> >>> And if it wasnt interesting enough, the progressive and simultaneous >>> urbanization of Kommunja network in Germany gave place this last Summer to >>> a movement towards the FEC in order to have more intense relations with the >>> horizon of economical cooperation. >>> >>> We are talking here of the first steps of a transnational network with >>> hundreds of people in USA and Germany, with a «sharing everything» economy, >>> creating a common mutual system and increasingly arriving to the world of >>> p2p production and digital commons. I guess this is pointing closer to the >>> phyle as a possible reality in the short term than any other example I have >>> heard of... >>> >>> On 2016-11-25 12:38, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>> >>> dear David,. >>> I would see a rather big difference between the locally-based >>> intentional communities based on intense and local community-based >>> collectivism, and the peer production phyles that are based on open >>> contributions. They are both legitimate, but they are very different >>> beasts. I wonder if it's a good idea to have them both at the same table >>> from the very beginning. >>> >>> PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and goals are so >>> different. They predate the network age, and often have no intention to >>> project systemic power at the global level, which is my aim in this >>> gathering of proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical >>> entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer production. >>> >>> Any encounter between them and localized intentional communities I would >>> see as a eventual later step, >>> >>> furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to june 15 will >>> be severely constrained by the ambitious project in Ghent, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> So great!! >>>> >>>> I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the egalitarian communities >>>> already in motion (the FEC in USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the >>>> Alps) and some interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar, >>>> Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting approaches between >>>> all of them and some of them, as The FEC, already have internal mutual >>>> systems between their communities. >>>> >>>> Do some of you want to lead such a meeting? >>>> >>>> If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no, I could ask my >>>> fellow indianos and look for a date during... ¿springtime? >>>> >>>> Big hug! >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> On 2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>> >>>> dear David and friends, >>>> >>>> I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the >>>> city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), >>>> >>>> one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based >>>> programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment >>>> not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for >>>> blue-collar communities, >>>> >>>> see here an article more or less expressing the same thought: >>>> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-ma >>>> ssive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25 >>>> >>>> Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 >>>> days a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european >>>> cooperative structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create >>>> a Commons Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe, >>>> >>>> I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the >>>> earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at >>>> some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do? >>>>> >>>>> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>> >>>>> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact >>>>> Hub is extractive. >>>>> >>>>> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is >>>>> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and >>>>> participative model .. >>>>> >>>>> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses >>>>> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under >>>>> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events >>>>> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from >>>>> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively >>>>> low pay, >>>>> >>>>> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies, >>>>> >>>>> Michel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of >>>>>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of >>>>>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to >>>>>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of >>>>>> necessity. >>>>>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that >>>>>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care >>>>>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit, >>>>>>> though). In what way are they extractive? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business >>>>>>>>> eco-system >>>>>>>>> for a community and its commons >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to >>>>>>>>> separate it >>>>>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including >>>>>>>>> something about >>>>>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual >>>>>>>>> partners? What >>>>>>>>> do you think? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it >>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite >>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>> original good intentions .. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic >>>>>>>> networks would >>>>>>>> be very welcome: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that >>>>>>>>> direction ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Big hug >>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Great Michael! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >>>>>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all >>>>>>>>>> the nucleus >>>>>>>>>> going in that direction. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation >>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>> proto-phyles ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, >>>>>>>>>> equally >>>>>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if >>>>>>>>>> they were >>>>>>>>>> more fully developed etc .. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not >>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus >>>>>>>>>>> as ours, can >>>>>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of >>>>>>>>>>> commons >>>>>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, >>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. >>>>>>>>>>> From its very >>>>>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an >>>>>>>>>>> alternative to >>>>>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) >>>>>>>>>>> welfare state >>>>>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security, >>>>>>>>>>> health, >>>>>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of >>>>>>>>>>> movements, etc.) >>>>>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to >>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while >>>>>>>>>>> constructing a >>>>>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't >>>>>>>>>>> like PDFs >>>>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>>>>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> Englisch >>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. >>>>>>>>>>>> Sie sind >>>>>>>>>>>> vom >>>>>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder >>>>>>>>>>>> direkt unter >>>>>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Deutsch: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund >>>>>>>>>>>> .pdf >>>>>>>>>>>> Englisch: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>>>>>>>>>> ation.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>>>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: >>>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/ >>>>>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: >>>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/ >>>>>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>>>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>>>>>>>>>> Alles. >>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver >>>>>>>>>>>> buende >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Responses inline. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption >>>>>>>>>>>>>> demands. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The real >>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> services (as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which >>>>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional >>>>>>>>>>>>> networks. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within >>>>>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are >>>>>>>>>>>>> starting up, >>>>>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> goal, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >>>>>>>>>>>>>> productive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> coin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mutualism as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the path >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call >>>>>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >>>>>>>>>>>>>> translate) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "How we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-ser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5755 to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp», >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content >>>>>>>>>>> commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-comp >>>>>>>>>> lete-list/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> >>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> http://commonstransition.org >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > t!b! <http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/tiberius-brastaviceanu> > > co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an *open > <http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page>**value network > <http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page>* > co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new economy > Part of Blocksense <http://blocksense.io/index.html>: blockchain and > other p2p technologies > founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: > informing the new multitude > > Profile <http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/tiberius-brastaviceanu> > www.facebook.com/tiberius.brastaviceanu > @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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