hi david, I'm still travelling, so I can only provide details after 25/10 but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business eco-system for a community and its commons
for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that direction ... On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> wrote: > Great Michael! > > So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit detailed, > definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the nucleus going in > that direction. > > Would you make the honours? :-D > > On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: > > personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation between > proto-phyles ... > > coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally > interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, > > of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they were > more fully developed etc .. > > Michel > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not about >> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as ours, >> can contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of >> commons based projects, Am I right? >> >> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no >> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From its very >> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an alternative >> to national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) welfare >> state and take responsibility for its own members (social security, health, >> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of movements, etc.) >> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to have a >> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing a >> money-free economy in its interior. >> >> >> >> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >> >> Great thanks to you both!!! >> >> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >> >> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like PDFs ;) >> >> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>> <[email protected]> >>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in >>> Englisch >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>> >>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >>> > OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >>> Bescheid sagen. >>> >>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. Sie sind >>> vom >>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt unter >>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>> >>> Deutsch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund >>> .pdf >>> Englisch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>> ation.pdf >>> >>> Herzliche Grüße >>> Christian >>> >>> -- >>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- [email protected] >>> --------- >>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: www.keimform.de/2013/freie-que >>> llen-1/ >>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: www.keimform.de/2013/free-sour >>> ces-1/ >>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: 0x980FA6ED >>> -- >>> Was darf die Satire? >>> Alles. >>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsverbuende >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > Responses inline. >>> > >>> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> Dear Bob, >>> >> >>> >> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess we are >>> still >>> >> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption demands. >>> The real >>> >> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >>> services (as >>> >> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital economy). >>> > >>> > I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which could be a >>> > place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks. >>> > >>> > Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that is not >>> > coordinated very well between groups or often not even within groups. >>> > The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do not >>> > talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting up, >>> > that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>> > >>> > Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>> > >>> >> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, but I >>> guess >>> >> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >>> productive >>> >> coin. >>> >> >>> >> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism as the >>> path >>> >> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call post-laborism. >>> Please >>> >> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >>> translate) >>> >> >>> >> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>> > >>> > Thanks, will study. >>> > >>> >> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How we can >>> >>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>> >>> organizations". >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>> >>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Could this be it? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> See the section entitled >>> >>>> >>> >>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo >>> my/2016/02/10" >>> >>>> and my comment below: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> dear David, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 to go >>> <g>, >>> >>>>> and >>> >>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following which >>> I will >>> >>>>> process in a moment. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a common >>> skype >>> >>>>> with >>> >>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for Ethos, >>> you and >>> >>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? And >>> then >>> >>>>> see >>> >>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of alignment >>> >>>>> between >>> >>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>> coordinating >>> >>>>> any >>> >>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our >>> recently >>> >>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special >>> thought in >>> >>>>> his >>> >>>>> remembrance, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Michel >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> We completely agree!! >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, reflects a >>> >>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we are >>> >>>>>> experiencing >>> >>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a closer >>> >>>>>> relation >>> >>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by first >>> time in >>> >>>>>> many >>> >>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only a >>> day, and >>> >>>>>> the >>> >>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we thought: >>> there >>> >>>>>> are in >>> >>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it in >>> >>>>>> Switzerland >>> >>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P theoritical >>> camp», >>> >>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of the >>> >>>>>> disenchanted >>> >>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between the >>> majority >>> >>>>>> of >>> >>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE >>> >>>>>> ORGANIC >>> >>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P Foundation, and >>> I >>> >>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in the >>> just >>> >>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can perhaps let >>> them >>> >>>>>> know >>> >>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, also >>> shows a >>> >>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for the >>> >>>>>> strengthening >>> >>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very precise >>> >>>>>> strategy >>> >>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I >>> posited, >>> >>>>>> along >>> >>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the practice, >>> and >>> >>>>>> the >>> >>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the same >>> >>>>>> direction >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in >>> which I'm >>> >>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of Kojin >>> >>>>>> Karatini .. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, there is >>> >>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, which is >>> >>>>>> thinking >>> >>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >>> commons, in >>> >>>>>> a way >>> >>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to flower and >>> .. >>> >>>>>> THIS IS >>> >>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no differences >>> between >>> >>>>>> the >>> >>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving broadly in >>> the >>> >>>>>> same >>> >>>>>> direction . >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these >>> groups, but >>> >>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do seem to >>> travel >>> >>>>>> .. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>> conference in >>> >>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could be an >>> >>>>>> occasion >>> >>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Michel >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-comp >>> lete-list/ >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> >>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation <http://p2pfoundation.net/>. >> Director of content commonstransition.org >> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://commonstransition.org > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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