There are also instances for the "market" (actually a term that would have to be definded clearly, but take it with a grain of salt), to fail creation of fairness. A prominent example that springs into my mind is the great famine in Ireland. Ireland was exporting food while half of the population starved or fled the country to escape starvation, and that was while market rules were the only valid political and economical principle.
For the P2P discussion, I would conclude that the question is if the categories which are discussed right now, are really relevant with regards to design objectives of a P2P system. Is fairness relevant for a P2P network? Are certain political, ethical and social concepts, such as celf-sustainability vs. government provided welfare relevant for a P2P network? I would suggest to consider such concepts as relevant for the _applicability_ of P2P technology, but not for the technology itself. In the same way as the technical basics of an economy (issuing a tamper proof currency, estabish a legal framework for the terms of ownership, etc) does have noting to do with the way you use it. Money, banks, pay checks, legal definitions of ownership, etc are existing in any political and economical system which is evolved beyond subsistence level. In communism as well as in free markets (such as in the britisch liberal economy of the 19th century). So maybe it would be worthwhile to think about what the term "ownership" in a P2P network could be and how it could be instantiated, what the definition of a currency could be, what mechanisms are necessary to provide all elements to conclude a trade (that is, to trade something). Regards, Matthias > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > James A. Donald > Sent: Mittwoch, 7. November 2012 05:45 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [p2p-hackers] Bitcoin incentive on Kademlia networks > > On 2012-11-07 9:05 AM, Changaco wrote: > > Let me get this straight, someone writes a message asking > people not > > to go into political debates that have been done over and over, but > > you do it anyway. > > I responded to your claim that: > > : : gold and Bitcoins aren't fair. [...] > : : when there is money creation it is not distributed equally either > > Unfortunately, the quest for "fairness" has led to the murder > of over a hundred million, so how about we proclaim the > "fairness" of market outcomes and monetary mechanisms to be > off topic, while the economics of market outcomes and > monetary mechanisms should remain on topic. > > _______________________________________________ > p2p-hackers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers > _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list [email protected] http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
