On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:15 PM, khuliso emmanuel <khuliso...@yahoo.com>wrote:

>   I agree with Mo-Africa Pitso Mphasha. First President of PACYL
>
>
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> Vhahashu Ma-afrika,  homosexuality and lesbianism should be rejected and
> condemned as they are regarded as totally unacceptable to cultural norms and
> values of African society," those who wants to be Africans, they should
> refrain from evil deeds. If PAYCO comrades want to align themselves with the
> constitution of these chaterists, they should do so. But PAC Youth League is
> saying "gay rights are immoral. It's right in the bible" and anybody who
> will be against the PAC Youth League voice will lebelled sellout.
>
> I remain noble son
> Khuliso
>
> --- On *Thu, 1/28/10, Thembeka Majali <thembeka.maj...@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Thembeka Majali <thembeka.maj...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO]
> To: payco@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 11:35 AM
>
>
>  Or maybe ask why did we have Azanian Peoples Revolutionary Party a
> breakaway group from PAC in exile?
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>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Thembeka Majali <
> thembeka.maj...@gmail.com<http://us.mc526.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thembeka.maj...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>> M'afrika what you are asking could be a similar question to why do we have
>> some faction calling themselves Youth League or Women's League. Is it about
>> branding or moving with fashion times?
>>
>> PAYCO I hope you could issue a statement to the Human Rights
>> Commission, dismiss those charges against you and publicly distance
>> yourselves from the League's confussion.
>>
>> Read todays SOWETAN.
>>
>>   On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Mothibe, Lucas 
>> <mothib...@doe.gov.za<http://us.mc526.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mothib...@doe.gov.za>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>  Izwe lethu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maafrica I need clarity in the following:
>>>
>>
>>
>> Are we Comrades or Africanist ?
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>>
>>
> Comrade is  the term that was used by soviets (Marxists and Leninists) when
> greeting each other during those days.
>
>
>
> Are we socialist or communist ?
>
>
>
> Are we  for a  National Democratic Revolution(NDR) or  African Nationalism?
>
>
>
> If NDR ,what is the difference between us and SACP.
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>
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>
>
> Regards
>
> Lucas Mothibe
>
>
>
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> *Subject:* [PAYCO]
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>
> Haiti-A Call For Global Action
>
> by Randall Robinson
> January 07, 2004
>
> *Part I* January 1, 1804 – January 1, 2004:
>
> This day is sacred.
>
> It is the 200th anniversary of the Haitian Revolution.
>
> Fought by Haitians.
>
> Won for us all.
>
> Between 1791 and 1804, hundreds of thousands of Africans enslaved in Haiti
> ignored the rivers, forests, precipices, swamps, mountains, gorges,
> bloodhounds, rifles, cannon, and whips that separated them and united to
> launch a massive, brilliantly executed, spectacular war of liberation that
> the armies of Spain, England, and France (with the help of the United
> States) all fought desperately – and failed absolutely – to crush.
>
> The Haitian Revolution was no "lucky break" involving "a few unruly
> slaves."
>
> This was no "plantation uprising."
>
> St. Domingue (as Haiti was then called by the French) was at that time the
> most prosperous colonial possession of any European power. It created far
> greater wealth for France than the thirteen American colonies combined. Its
> massive wealth-generating capacity caused it to be known far and wide as
> "The Pearl of the Antilles" and its French owners had a clear and proven
> management strategy for profit maximization: push the slaves to their
> absolute physical limit, work them literally to death, and then quickly
> import replacement slaves from Africa who would, in turn, be worked to
> death. This, St. Domingue's plantocracy had discovered, controlled operating
> costs, kept the pace of economic activity at a highly efficient and
> productive pace, minimized slack and wastage, and produced massive,
> stupendous profits.
>
> Two hundred years ago today, however, after a 13-year war of liberation,
> the slaves of St. Domingue celebrated their victory over France and other
> European powers by establishing the Republic of Haiti. They had wrested from
> Napoleon the engine of France's economic expansion, banished slavery from
> the land, and ended European domination of 10,000 square miles of fertile
> land and hundreds of thousands of slaves to work it.
>
> They had shattered the myth of European invincibility.
>
> "Most have assumed that (Haiti's) slaves had no military experience prior
> to the revolution," John K. Thornton explains in African Soldiers in the
> Haitian Revolution. "Many assume that they rose from agricultural labour to
> military prowess in an amazingly short time.... However, it is probably a
> mistake to see the slaves of St. Domingue as simply agricultural workers,
> like the peasants of Europe... ...A majority of St. Domingue's slaves,
> especially those who fought steadily in the revolution, were born in
> Africa... ...In fact, a great many... ...had served in African armies prior
> to their enslavement and arrival in Haiti... ...Sixty to seventy per cent of
> the adult slaves listed on (St. Domingue's) inventories in the late 1780's
> and 1790's were African born... ... ...(coming) overwhelmingly from just two
> areas of Africa: the Lower Guinea coast region of modern Benin, Togo and
> Nigeria (also known as the "Slave Coast"), and the Angola coast area....
>
> "Where the African military background of the slaves counted most was in
> those areas, especially in the north (of St. Domingue), where slaves
> themselves led the revolution, both politically and militarily... ...
> ...These areas...threw up the powerful armies of Toussaint Louverture and
> Dessalines and eventually carried the revolution."
>
> A successful revolution in Haiti, Thornton explains, "required the kind of
> skill and discipline that could be found in veteran soldiers, and it was
> these veterans, from wars in Africa, who made up the general will of the St.
> Domingue revolt... ...Kongolese armies contributed the most to St. Domingue
> rebel bands... ...(Their) tactical organization was very different from that
> of Europe... ...(and they) had learned to deal successfully with Portuguese
> armies and tactics in the years of struggle (in Africa), driving out
> invaders... ...No doubt these tactics could help those who found themselves
> in St. Domingue on the eve of the revolution.
>
> "Kongolese armies seem to have been organized in...platoons...that struck
> at enemy advancing columns and sustained an engagement for a time before
> breaking off and retreating... ...They made use of cover, both from terrain
> and from woods and tall grass, in hiding their movements and directing their
> fire. When they fled it was not possible to follow them." Portuguese troops
> who had fought the Kongolese in Africa also reported that the Kongolese used
> "shocks – larger engagements involving massed Kongolese units. According to
> the Portuguese accounts, large bodies were assembled for shocks supported by
> artillery, sometimes they formed in extensive half moon formations which
> apparently sought partial envelopment of opposing forces, in other cases in
> columns of great depth along fronts of 15-20 soldiers....
>
> "Their tactics showed a penchant for skirmishing attacks rather than the
> heavy assaults favoured by Europeans in the same era... ...Kongolese armies
> had a higher command structure that could mass troops quickly, and soldiers
> were also accustomed to forming effectively into larger units for major
> battles when the situation warranted.... ...Dahomey's armies included a
> fairly large professional force... ...Oyo relied heavily on cavalry forces,
> had relatively few foot soldiers and throughout the 1700's was the
> pre-eminent...military power in (west Africa)... ...Dahomey's troops...
> ...fought in close order using fire discipline quite similar to that of
> Europe... ...
>
> "It was from these disparate 'arts of war' that the revolutionary African
> soldier of St. Domingue was trained... ...
>
> "One can easily see, in the formation of the bands mentioned in the early
> descriptions of the (Haitian Revolution), the small platoons of the
> Kongolese armies, each under an independent commander and accustomed to
> considerable tactical decision making; or perhaps those small units
> characteristic of locally organized Dahomean units; the state armies of the
> Mahi country; or the coastal forces of the Slave Coast... ...
>
> "In addition the pattern of attacks with small scale harassing maneuvers,
> short, sustained battles and then rapid withdrawals are also reminiscent of
> the campaign diaries of the Portuguese field commanders in Angola. Felix
> Carteau, an early observer of the war in the north of St. Domingue noted
> that the (slave revolutionaries) harassed French forces day and night.
> Usually, he commented, they were repelled, but each time, they dispersed so
> quickly, so completely in ditches, hedges and other areas of natural cover
> that real pursuit was impossible. However, rebel casualties were light in
> these attacks, so that the next day they reappeared with great numbers of
> people. They never mass in the open, wrote another witness, or wait in line
> to charge, but advance dispersed, so that they appear to be six times as
> numerous as they really are. Yet they were disciplined, since they might
> advance with great clamor and then suddenly and simultaneously fall
> silent....
>
> "It was not long before observers noted that the rebels (in St. Domingue)
> had developed the sort of higher order tactics that was also characteristic
> of Kongolese forces, or those of the Slave Coast....
>
> "In addition to these tactical similarities to African wars, especially in
> Kongo, there were other indications of the African ethos of the fighters...
> ...they marched, formed and attacked accompanied by the 'music peculiar to
> Negroes....' Their religious preparation, likewise, hearkened back to
> Africa....
>
> "It is unlikely that many slaves would have learned equestrian skills as a
> part of their plantation labor... ...Since there was virtually no cavalry in
> Angola, one can speculate that rebels originating from Oyo might have
> provided at least some of the trained horsemen. Also, the Senegalese, though
> a minority, also came from an equestrian culture... ...
>
> "African soldiers may well have provided the key element of the early
> success of the revolution. They might have enabled its survival when it was
> threatened by reinforced armies from Europe. Looking at the rebel slaves of
> Haiti as African veterans rather than as Haitian plantation workers may well
> prove to be the key that unlocks the mystery of the success of the largest
> slave revolt in history."
>
> St. Domingue's policy of working its slaves to death and then quickly
> importing replacements from Africa proved to be the ultimate karmic
> boomerang. St. Domingue's African-born slaves not only were not yet broken
> psychologically, but they were also in possession of significant military
> training and experience gained on the other side of the Atlantic. And they
> combined with brilliant, indefatigable, St. Domingue-born blacks like
> Toussaint L'Ouverture and Dessalines to create a black revolutionary
> juggernaut the likes of which Europe and the United States had not seen
> before – or since.
>
> The blacks of St. Domingue forced the world to see both them and the
> millions of other Africans enslaved throughout the Americas with new eyes.
> No longer could it be assumed that they could forever be brutalized into
> creating massive fortunes and building sprawling empires for the glory of
> Europe and America.
>
> On January 1, 1804, hundreds of thousands of slave revolutionaries
> established an independent republic and named it Haiti in honor of the
> Amerindian people, long since killed off by European brutality and diseases,
> who had called the land Ayiti – Land of Many Mountains. They had banished
> slavery from their land and proclaimed it an official refuge for escaped
> slaves from anywhere in the world. They had defeated the mightiest of the
> mighty. They had shattered the myth of European invincibility.
>
> Europe was livid. America, apoplectic. The blacks in St. Domingue had
> forgotten their place and would be made to pay. Dearly. For the next two
> hundred years.
>
> Toussaint L'Ouverture, Dessalines, and their slave revolutionaries must
> forever live in our hearts as inspiring, authentic counterweights to the
> "yassuh-nosuh-scratch- where-ah-don'-itch-and-dance-tho-there-ain'-no-music"
> image of our forebears that Europe and the United States have drilled into
> our psyches.
>
> And we must remember that history forgets, first, those who forget
> themselves. Via means direct and indirect, crass and subtle, there have been
> whispers and street corner shouts that "current conditions in Haiti" make
> our celebration of the Haitian Revolution "inappropriate" at this time.
>
> We, whose souls and psyches have been bleached of everything prior to the
> Middle Passage are now being told that we must tear from our consciousness
> and rip from our hearts the most dramatic and triumphal assertion of
> forebears' dignity, worth, and perspicacity since the Middle Passage.
>
> How diabolically contemptuous.
>
> Not only must we not forget the Haitian Revolution, we must celebrate it.
> Today, through all of this its bicentennial year, and beyond.
>
> And we must research, understand, and expose what happened to Haiti and in
> Haiti since the revolution. We must become fully conversant with the role of
> "the world's leading democracies" in Haiti between 1804 and today. We must
> develop a keen understanding of the repercussions of the 61-year economic
> embargo that the United States imposed on Haiti in response to its
> declaration of independence, and we must recognize the current-day
> consequences of France forcing Haiti to pay 90 million in gold francs
> (equivalent today to some $20 billion) in 1825 as "compensation" for Haiti
> declaring its independence – or be crushed militarily by France.
>
> Today, "the world's leading democracies" cluck and gloat at their ongoing
> stranglehold – in the form of a crushing financial embargo – on today's
> descendants of Toussaint, Dessalines, and their freedom fighters. Throughout
> the Americas, we who benefited from the daring war waged by the slaves of
> St. Domingue, must reject the maneuverings of the world's most powerful
> nations in Haiti and find ways to build bridges to the Haitian people and
> the officials they choose – through the ballot – to lead them.
>
> Just over two hundred years ago, after there had been a "cessation of
> hostilities" and the brilliant military strategist Toussaint L'Ouverture had
> already retired to a quiet life in the St. Domingue country-side, France
> decided, nonetheless, to arrest and ship him to a prison cell 3,000 feet up
> the Jura Mountains of France where he would freeze to death. As he stepped
> on board the boat that would forever take him away from St. Domingue,
> Toussaint issued a promise to his captors and a call to us all.
>
> "In overthrowing me, you have cut down in St. Domingue only the trunk of
> the tree of liberty. It will spring up again by the roots for they are
> numerous and deep."
>
> We are those roots.
>
> The revolution was fought by Haitians, but won for us all.
>
> Through our work and with our resources, in a spirit of self-respect and
> self-awareness, we must serve as counterweights to the powerful nations who
> deem the ballot box sacrosanct in their countries, but surreptitiously
> encourage and manipulate its rejection by "the opposition" in Haiti. We must
> serve as proponents of political civility and social justice in Haiti while
> "the world's leading democracies" slyly encourage recalcitrance, tumult, and
> division. We must reject being manipulated by the corporate media into
> embracing the notion that in France, Germany, the United States and other
> "civilized nations" elections are the only legitimate determinant of the
> will of the people, but in Haiti those street demonstrations specially
> selected by the corporate media for coverage tell us all we need to know
> about anybody's will. We must impress upon all Haitians the fact that the
> outside world does not distinguish between – and cares nothing about –
> Lavalas, Convergence, or any other political grouping. The world sees only
> "Haiti," "Haitians," and all the connotations that western media have
> attached thereto. Those nations that two hundred years ago failed
> desperately in their attempts to crush the Haitian Revolution today have a
> deep psychic need to "prove" Toussaint's progeny capable of nothing but
> disaster. We must reach out to and work with our Haitian brothers and
> sisters to prove these nations wrong.
>
> Throughout the Diaspora, we must stand with and defend Haiti – on this the
> anniversary of the Haitian Revolution, throughout this bicentennial year,
> and for all time. For in so doing, we stand for and defend ourselves.
>
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