Revolutionary Greetings!!!



> In an attempt to try and guard against the advancement of personal views
> at the expense of the organisation, I reserve my right to silence about
> the issue of homosexuality until such time that an organisational platform
> relevant for such discussions is created.
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> I am however convinced that should the party precisely define how a PAC
> member should be and conduct him/herself; we can witness an automated
> organisational cleansing that would be beyond anybody’s expectations.
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> If the individuals within the organisation they claim to be members of are
> pulling to the different directions, that simply declares the organisation
> dead because there is no working towards the same defined organisational
> goals.
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> History has judged lots of people, but now the PAC is being judged by the
> present and time.
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> If one is to recruit a new member, he has a serious explanation to give to
> that particular soon-to-be member for bringing an innocent sole to the
> organisation’s anarchy and disorder.
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> Most members, particularly objective youth are running out of patience and
> the tolerance levels have reached zenith and it is utter hogwash to
> believe that the problems of the party can be solved at a branch level
> with the NEC appaling.
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> Regards
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> Soso
> Cell #:073 159 5213
> Fax #: 086 697 9605
> E-mail sonwabi...@yahoo.com
> "We all die, our plan is not to live forever but to create something that
> will"
> Kwame Nkrumah
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> --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Motlatsi Mogoiwa <mtmogo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Motlatsi Mogoiwa <mtmogo...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO]
> To: payco@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 7:12 AM
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> Joni in which section of PAC documents ,that is against our fellow
> Africans ,and how you are going to rally the masses under the banner of
> PAC ,with this useless statements ?
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> --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Milosevic Mphahlele <mohlomph...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <mohlomph...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO]
> To: payco@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 5:10 PM
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> Majoni!
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> Homosexuality is nonsense. We can live with those people but cannot
> legislate their nonsense. If all serial killers likes and enjoy killing I
> think to some that will be their democratic right. We can live with serial
> killers but cannot legislate their right of killing. So majoni stop this
> democratic nonsense and be realistic. We cannot condone homosexuality.
> Payco comrades who are ANC in their thinking must live PAC not later than
> yesterday. I share Mugabe's view on homosexuality "They are worse than
> dogs"
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> Izwe Lethu!
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> From: Thembeka Majali <thembeka.maj...@gmail.com>
> To: payco@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 2:21:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO]
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> Do not impose your views on others and be selective in your definition of
> an african and those are your views not that of the PAC. Its heartening to
> hear such individuals rejecting other fellow africanists because of their
> sexual orientation weather you like it or not there are homesexuals inside
> the PAC and live with that reality. 
> Furthermore to your utter rubish PAC signed that liberal rights based SA
> Constitution that you are referring to including your member of
> Parliament, is darking and dancing with that charterists constitution.
> Politically and Strategicallyso, you can amend the countries constitution
> once you take political and economic power but as long as you are a
> handful of members your views are just a dream if you are serious about
> the growth of your membership. Remember PAC's aim is to rally and Unite
> the africans.
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> Many of you sometimes who are now homophobic were once homosexuals or have
> slept with other men but no one wants to interfere with anyones private
> life or sexual orientation. Its fallacious to think that homesexuality has
> western origins, its roots can also be traced in africa particularly among
> traditional healers perhaps you could do your own research about it.
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> You are unfair to those african men and women who have given birth to
> those children whose sexual orientation is different from yours. Weather
> you like it or not they will remain as members of the PAC and wont be
> threatened by such utterances.
> There are many youthful issues that you should be responding to not boast
> about your immature intellectual disorientation.
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> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Thembeka Majali
> <thembeka.maj...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:15 PM, khuliso emmanuel <khuliso...@yahoo.com>
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> I agree with Mo-Africa Pitso Mphasha. First President of PACYL 
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> Vhahashu Ma-afrika,  homosexuality and lesbianism should be rejected and
> condemned as they are regarded as totally unacceptable to cultural norms
> and values of African society," those who wants to be Africans, they
> should refrain from evil deeds. If PAYCO comrades want to align themselves
> with the constitution of these chaterists, they should do so. But PAC
> Youth League is saying "gay rights are immoral. It's right in the bible"
> and anybody who will be against the PAC Youth League voice will lebelled
> sellout.
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> I remain noble son
> Khuliso
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> --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Thembeka Majali <thembeka.maj...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Thembeka Majali <thembeka.maj...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO]
> To: payco@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 11:35 AM
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> Or maybe ask why did we have Azanian Peoples Revolutionary Party a
> breakaway group from PAC in exile?
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> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Thembeka Majali
> <thembeka.maj...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> M'afrika what you are asking could be a similar question to why do we have
> some faction calling themselves Youth League or Women's League. Is it
> about branding or moving with fashion times?
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> PAYCO I hope you could issue a statement to the Human Rights
> Commission, dismiss those charges against you and publicly distance
> yourselves from the League's confussion.  
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> Read todays SOWETAN.
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> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Mothibe, Lucas <mothib...@doe.gov.za>
> wrote:
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> Izwe lethu
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> Maafrica I need clarity in the following:
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> Are we Comrades or Africanist ?
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> Comrade is  the term that was used by soviets (Marxists and Leninists)
> when greeting each other during those days.
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> Are we socialist or communist ?
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> Are we  for a  National Democratic Revolution(NDR) or  African
> Nationalism?
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> If NDR ,what is the difference between us and SACP.
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> Regards
> Lucas Mothibe
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> From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Mawande Jack
> Sent: 19 January 2010 05:24 PM
> To: payco@googlegroups.com; PAYCO Azania
> Subject: [PAYCO]
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> Haiti-A Call For Global Action
> by Randall Robinson
> January 07, 2004
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> Part I
> January 1, 1804 – January 1, 2004:
> This day is sacred.
>
> It is the 200th anniversary of the Haitian Revolution.
>
> Fought by Haitians.
>
> Won for us all.
>
> Between 1791 and 1804, hundreds of thousands of Africans enslaved in Haiti
> ignored the rivers, forests, precipices, swamps, mountains, gorges,
> bloodhounds, rifles, cannon, and whips that separated them and united to
> launch a massive, brilliantly executed, spectacular war of liberation that
> the armies of Spain, England, and France (with the help of the United
> States) all fought desperately – and failed absolutely – to crush.
>
> The Haitian Revolution was no "lucky break" involving "a few unruly
> slaves."
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> This was no "plantation uprising."
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> St. Domingue (as Haiti was then called by the French) was at that time the
> most prosperous colonial possession of any European power. It created far
> greater wealth for France than the thirteen American colonies combined.
> Its massive wealth-generating capacity caused it to be known far and wide
> as "The Pearl of the Antilles" and its French owners had a clear and
> proven management strategy for profit maximization: push the slaves to
> their absolute physical limit, work them literally to death, and then
> quickly import replacement slaves from Africa who would, in turn, be
> worked to death. This, St. Domingue's plantocracy had discovered,
> controlled operating costs, kept the pace of economic activity at a highly
> efficient and productive pace, minimized slack and wastage, and produced
> massive, stupendous profits.
>
> Two hundred years ago today, however, after a 13-year war of liberation,
> the slaves of St. Domingue celebrated their victory over France and other
> European powers by establishing the Republic of Haiti. They had wrested
> from Napoleon the engine of France's economic expansion, banished slavery
> from the land, and ended European domination of 10,000 square miles of
> fertile land and hundreds of thousands of slaves to work it.
>
> They had shattered the myth of European invincibility.
>
> "Most have assumed that (Haiti's) slaves had no military experience prior
> to the revolution," John K. Thornton explains in African Soldiers in the
> Haitian Revolution. "Many assume that they rose from agricultural labour
> to military prowess in an amazingly short time.... However, it is probably
> a mistake to see the slaves of St. Domingue as simply agricultural
> workers, like the peasants of Europe... ...A majority of St. Domingue's
> slaves, especially those who fought steadily in the revolution, were born
> in Africa... ...In fact, a great many... ...had served in African armies
> prior to their enslavement and arrival in Haiti... ...Sixty to seventy per
> cent of the adult slaves listed on (St. Domingue's) inventories in the
> late 1780's and 1790's were African born... ... ...(coming) overwhelmingly
> from just two areas of Africa: the Lower Guinea coast region of modern
> Benin, Togo and Nigeria (also known as the "Slave Coast"), and the Angola
> coast area....
>
> "Where the African military background of the slaves counted most was in
> those areas, especially in the north (of St. Domingue), where slaves
> themselves led the revolution, both politically and militarily... ...
> ...These areas...threw up the powerful armies of Toussaint Louverture and
> Dessalines and eventually carried the revolution."
>
> A successful revolution in Haiti, Thornton explains, "required the kind of
> skill and discipline that could be found in veteran soldiers, and it was
> these veterans, from wars in Africa, who made up the general will of the
> St. Domingue revolt... ...Kongolese armies contributed the most to St.
> Domingue rebel bands... ...(Their) tactical organization was very
> different from that of Europe... ...(and they) had learned to deal
> successfully with Portuguese armies and tactics in the years of struggle
> (in Africa), driving out invaders... ...No doubt these tactics could help
> those who found themselves in St. Domingue on the eve of the revolution.
>
> "Kongolese armies seem to have been organized in...platoons...that struck
> at enemy advancing columns and sustained an engagement for a time before
> breaking off and retreating... ...They made use of cover, both from
> terrain and from woods and tall grass, in hiding their movements and
> directing their fire. When they fled it was not possible to follow them."
> Portuguese troops who had fought the Kongolese in Africa also reported
> that the Kongolese used "shocks – larger engagements involving massed
> Kongolese units. According to the Portuguese accounts, large bodies were
> assembled for shocks supported by artillery, sometimes they formed in
> extensive half moon formations which apparently sought partial envelopment
> of opposing forces, in other cases in columns of great depth along fronts
> of 15-20 soldiers....
>
> "Their tactics showed a penchant for skirmishing attacks rather than the
> heavy assaults favoured by Europeans in the same era... ...Kongolese
> armies had a higher command structure that could mass troops quickly, and
> soldiers were also accustomed to forming effectively into larger units for
> major battles when the situation warranted.... ...Dahomey's armies
> included a fairly large professional force... ...Oyo relied heavily on
> cavalry forces, had relatively few foot soldiers and throughout the 1700's
> was the pre-eminent...military power in (west Africa)... ...Dahomey's
> troops... ...fought in close order using fire discipline quite similar to
> that of Europe... ...
>
> "It was from these disparate 'arts of war' that the revolutionary African
> soldier of St. Domingue was trained... ...
>
> "One can easily see, in the formation of the bands mentioned in the early
> descriptions of the (Haitian Revolution), the small platoons of the
> Kongolese armies, each under an independent commander and accustomed to
> considerable tactical decision making; or perhaps those small units
> characteristic of locally organized Dahomean units; the state armies of
> the Mahi country; or the coastal forces of the Slave Coast... ...
>
> "In addition the pattern of attacks with small scale harassing maneuvers,
> short, sustained battles and then rapid withdrawals are also reminiscent
> of the campaign diaries of the Portuguese field commanders in Angola.
> Felix Carteau, an early observer of the war in the north of St. Domingue
> noted that the (slave revolutionaries) harassed French forces day and
> night. Usually, he commented, they were repelled, but each time, they
> dispersed so quickly, so completely in ditches, hedges and other areas of
> natural cover that real pursuit was impossible. However, rebel casualties
> were light in these attacks, so that the next day they reappeared with
> great numbers of people. They never mass in the open, wrote another
> witness, or wait in line to charge, but advance dispersed, so that they
> appear to be six times as numerous as they really are. Yet they were
> disciplined, since they might advance with great clamor and then suddenly
> and simultaneously fall silent....
>
> "It was not long before observers noted that the rebels (in St. Domingue)
> had developed the sort of higher order tactics that was also
> characteristic of Kongolese forces, or those of the Slave Coast....
>
> "In addition to these tactical similarities to African wars, especially in
> Kongo, there were other indications of the African ethos of the
> fighters... ...they marched, formed and attacked accompanied by the 'music
> peculiar to Negroes....' Their religious preparation, likewise, hearkened
> back to Africa....
>
> "It is unlikely that many slaves would have learned equestrian skills as a
> part of their plantation labor... ...Since there was virtually no cavalry
> in Angola, one can speculate that rebels originating from Oyo might have
> provided at least some of the trained horsemen. Also, the Senegalese,
> though a minority, also came from an equestrian culture... ....
>
> "African soldiers may well have provided the key element of the early
> success of the revolution. They might have enabled its survival when it
> was threatened by reinforced armies from Europe. Looking at the rebel
> slaves of Haiti as African veterans rather than as Haitian plantation
> workers may well prove to be the key that unlocks the mystery of the
> success of the largest slave revolt in history."
>
> St. Domingue's policy of working its slaves to death and then quickly
> importing replacements from Africa proved to be the ultimate karmic
> boomerang. St. Domingue's African-born slaves not only were not yet broken
> psychologically, but they were also in possession of significant military
> training and experience gained on the other side of the Atlantic. And they
> combined with brilliant, indefatigable, St. Domingue-born blacks like
> Toussaint L'Ouverture and Dessalines to create a black revolutionary
> juggernaut the likes of which Europe and the United States had not seen
> before – or since.
>
> The blacks of St. Domingue forced the world to see both them and the
> millions of other Africans enslaved throughout the Americas with new eyes.
> No longer could it be assumed that they could forever be brutalized into
> creating massive fortunes and building sprawling empires for the glory of
> Europe and America.
>
> On January 1, 1804, hundreds of thousands of slave revolutionaries
> established an independent republic and named it Haiti in honor of the
> Amerindian people, long since killed off by European brutality and
> diseases, who had called the land Ayiti – Land of Many Mountains. They had
> banished slavery from their land and proclaimed it an official refuge for
> escaped slaves from anywhere in the world. They had defeated the mightiest
> of the mighty. They had shattered the myth of European invincibility.
>
> Europe was livid. America, apoplectic. The blacks in St. Domingue had
> forgotten their place and would be made to pay. Dearly. For the next two
> hundred years.
>
> Toussaint L'Ouverture, Dessalines, and their slave revolutionaries must
> forever live in our hearts as inspiring, authentic counterweights to the
> "yassuh-nosuh-scratch-
> where-ah-don'-itch-and-dance-tho-there-ain'-no-music" image of our
> forebears that Europe and the United States have drilled into our psyches.
>
> And we must remember that history forgets, first, those who forget
> themselves. Via means direct and indirect, crass and subtle, there have
> been whispers and street corner shouts that "current conditions in Haiti"
> make our celebration of the Haitian Revolution "inappropriate" at this
> time.
>
> We, whose souls and psyches have been bleached of everything prior to the
> Middle Passage are now being told that we must tear from our consciousness
> and rip from our hearts the most dramatic and triumphal assertion of
> forebears' dignity, worth, and perspicacity since the Middle Passage.
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> How diabolically contemptuous.
>
> Not only must we not forget the Haitian Revolution, we must celebrate it.
> Today, through all of this its bicentennial year, and beyond.
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> And we must research, understand, and expose what happened to Haiti and in
> Haiti since the revolution. We must become fully conversant with the role
> of "the world's leading democracies" in Haiti between 1804 and today. We
> must develop a keen understanding of the repercussions of the 61-year
> economic embargo that the United States imposed on Haiti in response to
> its declaration of independence, and we must recognize the current-day
> consequences of France forcing Haiti to pay 90 million in gold francs
> (equivalent today to some $20 billion) in 1825 as "compensation" for Haiti
> declaring its independence – or be crushed militarily by France.
>
> Today, "the world's leading democracies" cluck and gloat at their ongoing
> stranglehold – in the form of a crushing financial embargo – on today's
> descendants of Toussaint, Dessalines, and their freedom fighters.
> Throughout the Americas, we who benefited from the daring war waged by the
> slaves of St. Domingue, must reject the maneuverings of the world's most
> powerful nations in Haiti and find ways to build bridges to the Haitian
> people and the officials they choose – through the ballot – to lead them.
>
> Just over two hundred years ago, after there had been a "cessation of
> hostilities" and the brilliant military strategist Toussaint L'Ouverture
> had already retired to a quiet life in the St. Domingue country-side,
> France decided, nonetheless, to arrest and ship him to a prison cell 3,000
> feet up the Jura Mountains of France where he would freeze to death. As he
> stepped on board the boat that would forever take him away from St.
> Domingue, Toussaint issued a promise to his captors and a call to us all.
> "In overthrowing me, you have cut down in St. Domingue only the trunk of
> the tree of liberty. It will spring up again by the roots for they are
> numerous and deep."
> We are those roots.
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> The revolution was fought by Haitians, but won for us all.
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> Through our work and with our resources, in a spirit of self-respect and
> self-awareness, we must serve as counterweights to the powerful nations
> who deem the ballot box sacrosanct in their countries, but surreptitiously
> encourage and manipulate its rejection by "the opposition" in Haiti. We
> must serve as proponents of political civility and social justice in Haiti
> while "the world's leading democracies" slyly encourage recalcitrance,
> tumult, and division. We must reject being manipulated by the corporate
> media into embracing the notion that in France, Germany, the United States
> and other "civilized nations" elections are the only legitimate
> determinant of the will of the people, but in Haiti those street
> demonstrations specially selected by the corporate media for coverage tell
> us all we need to know about anybody's will. We must impress upon all
> Haitians the fact that the outside world does not distinguish between –
> and cares nothing about –
>  Lavalas, Convergence, or any other political grouping. The world sees
> only "Haiti," "Haitians," and all the connotations that western media
> have attached thereto. Those nations that two hundred years ago failed
> desperately in their attempts to crush the Haitian Revolution today have
> a deep psychic need to "prove" Toussaint's progeny capable of nothing but
> disaster. We must reach out to and work with our Haitian brothers and
> sisters to prove these nations wrong.
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> Throughout the Diaspora, we must stand with and defend Haiti – on this the
> anniversary of the Haitian Revolution, throughout this bicentennial year,
> and for all time. For in so doing, we stand for and defend ourselves.
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