Revolutionary Greetings!!!
> In an attempt to try and guard against the advancement of personal views > at the expense of the organisation, I reserve my right to silence about > the issue of homosexuality until such time that an organisational platform > relevant for such discussions is created. > > I am however convinced that should the party precisely define how a PAC > member should be and conduct him/herself; we can witness an automated > organisational cleansing that would be beyond anybody’s expectations. > > If the individuals within the organisation they claim to be members of are > pulling to the different directions, that simply declares the organisation > dead because there is no working towards the same defined organisational > goals. > > History has judged lots of people, but now the PAC is being judged by the > present and time. > > If one is to recruit a new member, he has a serious explanation to give to > that particular soon-to-be member for bringing an innocent sole to the > organisation’s anarchy and disorder. > > Most members, particularly objective youth are running out of patience and > the tolerance levels have reached zenith and it is utter hogwash to > believe that the problems of the party can be solved at a branch level > with the NEC appaling. > > > Regards > > Soso > Cell #:073 159 5213 > Fax #: 086 697 9605 > E-mail sonwabi...@yahoo.com > "We all die, our plan is not to live forever but to create something that > will" > Kwame Nkrumah > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Motlatsi Mogoiwa <mtmogo...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Motlatsi Mogoiwa <mtmogo...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] > To: payco@googlegroups.com > Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 7:12 AM > > > > > > > Joni in which section of PAC documents ,that is against our fellow > Africans ,and how you are going to rally the masses under the banner of > PAC ,with this useless statements ? > > --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Milosevic Mphahlele <mohlomph...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <mohlomph...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] > To: payco@googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 5:10 PM > > > > > > > Majoni! > > Homosexuality is nonsense. We can live with those people but cannot > legislate their nonsense. If all serial killers likes and enjoy killing I > think to some that will be their democratic right. We can live with serial > killers but cannot legislate their right of killing. So majoni stop this > democratic nonsense and be realistic. We cannot condone homosexuality. > Payco comrades who are ANC in their thinking must live PAC not later than > yesterday. I share Mugabe's view on homosexuality "They are worse than > dogs" > > Izwe Lethu! > > > > > > From: Thembeka Majali <thembeka.maj...@gmail.com> > To: payco@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 2:21:56 PM > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] > > > Do not impose your views on others and be selective in your definition of > an african and those are your views not that of the PAC. Its heartening to > hear such individuals rejecting other fellow africanists because of their > sexual orientation weather you like it or not there are homesexuals inside > the PAC and live with that reality. > Furthermore to your utter rubish PAC signed that liberal rights based SA > Constitution that you are referring to including your member of > Parliament, is darking and dancing with that charterists constitution. > Politically and Strategicallyso, you can amend the countries constitution > once you take political and economic power but as long as you are a > handful of members your views are just a dream if you are serious about > the growth of your membership. Remember PAC's aim is to rally and Unite > the africans. > > Many of you sometimes who are now homophobic were once homosexuals or have > slept with other men but no one wants to interfere with anyones private > life or sexual orientation. Its fallacious to think that homesexuality has > western origins, its roots can also be traced in africa particularly among > traditional healers perhaps you could do your own research about it. > > You are unfair to those african men and women who have given birth to > those children whose sexual orientation is different from yours. Weather > you like it or not they will remain as members of the PAC and wont be > threatened by such utterances. > There are many youthful issues that you should be responding to not boast > about your immature intellectual disorientation. > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Thembeka Majali > <thembeka.maj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:15 PM, khuliso emmanuel <khuliso...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > I agree with Mo-Africa Pitso Mphasha. First President of PACYL > > > > Vhahashu Ma-afrika, homosexuality and lesbianism should be rejected and > condemned as they are regarded as totally unacceptable to cultural norms > and values of African society," those who wants to be Africans, they > should refrain from evil deeds. If PAYCO comrades want to align themselves > with the constitution of these chaterists, they should do so. But PAC > Youth League is saying "gay rights are immoral. It's right in the bible" > and anybody who will be against the PAC Youth League voice will lebelled > sellout. > > > I remain noble son > Khuliso > > --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Thembeka Majali <thembeka.maj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Thembeka Majali <thembeka.maj...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] > To: payco@googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 11:35 AM > > > > > > > Or maybe ask why did we have Azanian Peoples Revolutionary Party a > breakaway group from PAC in exile? > > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Thembeka Majali > <thembeka.maj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > M'afrika what you are asking could be a similar question to why do we have > some faction calling themselves Youth League or Women's League. Is it > about branding or moving with fashion times? > > PAYCO I hope you could issue a statement to the Human Rights > Commission, dismiss those charges against you and publicly distance > yourselves from the League's confussion. > > Read todays SOWETAN. > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Mothibe, Lucas <mothib...@doe.gov.za> > wrote: > > > > > Izwe lethu > > Maafrica I need clarity in the following: > > Are we Comrades or Africanist ? > > > > > Comrade is the term that was used by soviets (Marxists and Leninists) > when greeting each other during those days. > > > > Are we socialist or communist ? > > Are we for a National Democratic Revolution(NDR) or African > Nationalism? > > If NDR ,what is the difference between us and SACP. > > > Regards > Lucas Mothibe > > > > From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Mawande Jack > Sent: 19 January 2010 05:24 PM > To: payco@googlegroups.com; PAYCO Azania > Subject: [PAYCO] > > > > > > > > > > Haiti-A Call For Global Action > by Randall Robinson > January 07, 2004 > > Part I > January 1, 1804 – January 1, 2004: > This day is sacred. > > It is the 200th anniversary of the Haitian Revolution. > > Fought by Haitians. > > Won for us all. > > Between 1791 and 1804, hundreds of thousands of Africans enslaved in Haiti > ignored the rivers, forests, precipices, swamps, mountains, gorges, > bloodhounds, rifles, cannon, and whips that separated them and united to > launch a massive, brilliantly executed, spectacular war of liberation that > the armies of Spain, England, and France (with the help of the United > States) all fought desperately – and failed absolutely – to crush. > > The Haitian Revolution was no "lucky break" involving "a few unruly > slaves." > > This was no "plantation uprising." > > St. Domingue (as Haiti was then called by the French) was at that time the > most prosperous colonial possession of any European power. It created far > greater wealth for France than the thirteen American colonies combined. > Its massive wealth-generating capacity caused it to be known far and wide > as "The Pearl of the Antilles" and its French owners had a clear and > proven management strategy for profit maximization: push the slaves to > their absolute physical limit, work them literally to death, and then > quickly import replacement slaves from Africa who would, in turn, be > worked to death. This, St. Domingue's plantocracy had discovered, > controlled operating costs, kept the pace of economic activity at a highly > efficient and productive pace, minimized slack and wastage, and produced > massive, stupendous profits. > > Two hundred years ago today, however, after a 13-year war of liberation, > the slaves of St. Domingue celebrated their victory over France and other > European powers by establishing the Republic of Haiti. They had wrested > from Napoleon the engine of France's economic expansion, banished slavery > from the land, and ended European domination of 10,000 square miles of > fertile land and hundreds of thousands of slaves to work it. > > They had shattered the myth of European invincibility. > > "Most have assumed that (Haiti's) slaves had no military experience prior > to the revolution," John K. Thornton explains in African Soldiers in the > Haitian Revolution. "Many assume that they rose from agricultural labour > to military prowess in an amazingly short time.... However, it is probably > a mistake to see the slaves of St. Domingue as simply agricultural > workers, like the peasants of Europe... ...A majority of St. Domingue's > slaves, especially those who fought steadily in the revolution, were born > in Africa... ...In fact, a great many... ...had served in African armies > prior to their enslavement and arrival in Haiti... ...Sixty to seventy per > cent of the adult slaves listed on (St. Domingue's) inventories in the > late 1780's and 1790's were African born... ... ...(coming) overwhelmingly > from just two areas of Africa: the Lower Guinea coast region of modern > Benin, Togo and Nigeria (also known as the "Slave Coast"), and the Angola > coast area.... > > "Where the African military background of the slaves counted most was in > those areas, especially in the north (of St. Domingue), where slaves > themselves led the revolution, both politically and militarily... ... > ...These areas...threw up the powerful armies of Toussaint Louverture and > Dessalines and eventually carried the revolution." > > A successful revolution in Haiti, Thornton explains, "required the kind of > skill and discipline that could be found in veteran soldiers, and it was > these veterans, from wars in Africa, who made up the general will of the > St. Domingue revolt... ...Kongolese armies contributed the most to St. > Domingue rebel bands... ...(Their) tactical organization was very > different from that of Europe... ...(and they) had learned to deal > successfully with Portuguese armies and tactics in the years of struggle > (in Africa), driving out invaders... ...No doubt these tactics could help > those who found themselves in St. Domingue on the eve of the revolution. > > "Kongolese armies seem to have been organized in...platoons...that struck > at enemy advancing columns and sustained an engagement for a time before > breaking off and retreating... ...They made use of cover, both from > terrain and from woods and tall grass, in hiding their movements and > directing their fire. When they fled it was not possible to follow them." > Portuguese troops who had fought the Kongolese in Africa also reported > that the Kongolese used "shocks – larger engagements involving massed > Kongolese units. According to the Portuguese accounts, large bodies were > assembled for shocks supported by artillery, sometimes they formed in > extensive half moon formations which apparently sought partial envelopment > of opposing forces, in other cases in columns of great depth along fronts > of 15-20 soldiers.... > > "Their tactics showed a penchant for skirmishing attacks rather than the > heavy assaults favoured by Europeans in the same era... ...Kongolese > armies had a higher command structure that could mass troops quickly, and > soldiers were also accustomed to forming effectively into larger units for > major battles when the situation warranted.... ...Dahomey's armies > included a fairly large professional force... ...Oyo relied heavily on > cavalry forces, had relatively few foot soldiers and throughout the 1700's > was the pre-eminent...military power in (west Africa)... ...Dahomey's > troops... ...fought in close order using fire discipline quite similar to > that of Europe... ... > > "It was from these disparate 'arts of war' that the revolutionary African > soldier of St. Domingue was trained... ... > > "One can easily see, in the formation of the bands mentioned in the early > descriptions of the (Haitian Revolution), the small platoons of the > Kongolese armies, each under an independent commander and accustomed to > considerable tactical decision making; or perhaps those small units > characteristic of locally organized Dahomean units; the state armies of > the Mahi country; or the coastal forces of the Slave Coast... ... > > "In addition the pattern of attacks with small scale harassing maneuvers, > short, sustained battles and then rapid withdrawals are also reminiscent > of the campaign diaries of the Portuguese field commanders in Angola. > Felix Carteau, an early observer of the war in the north of St. Domingue > noted that the (slave revolutionaries) harassed French forces day and > night. Usually, he commented, they were repelled, but each time, they > dispersed so quickly, so completely in ditches, hedges and other areas of > natural cover that real pursuit was impossible. However, rebel casualties > were light in these attacks, so that the next day they reappeared with > great numbers of people. They never mass in the open, wrote another > witness, or wait in line to charge, but advance dispersed, so that they > appear to be six times as numerous as they really are. Yet they were > disciplined, since they might advance with great clamor and then suddenly > and simultaneously fall silent.... > > "It was not long before observers noted that the rebels (in St. Domingue) > had developed the sort of higher order tactics that was also > characteristic of Kongolese forces, or those of the Slave Coast.... > > "In addition to these tactical similarities to African wars, especially in > Kongo, there were other indications of the African ethos of the > fighters... ...they marched, formed and attacked accompanied by the 'music > peculiar to Negroes....' Their religious preparation, likewise, hearkened > back to Africa.... > > "It is unlikely that many slaves would have learned equestrian skills as a > part of their plantation labor... ...Since there was virtually no cavalry > in Angola, one can speculate that rebels originating from Oyo might have > provided at least some of the trained horsemen. Also, the Senegalese, > though a minority, also came from an equestrian culture... .... > > "African soldiers may well have provided the key element of the early > success of the revolution. They might have enabled its survival when it > was threatened by reinforced armies from Europe. Looking at the rebel > slaves of Haiti as African veterans rather than as Haitian plantation > workers may well prove to be the key that unlocks the mystery of the > success of the largest slave revolt in history." > > St. Domingue's policy of working its slaves to death and then quickly > importing replacements from Africa proved to be the ultimate karmic > boomerang. St. Domingue's African-born slaves not only were not yet broken > psychologically, but they were also in possession of significant military > training and experience gained on the other side of the Atlantic. And they > combined with brilliant, indefatigable, St. Domingue-born blacks like > Toussaint L'Ouverture and Dessalines to create a black revolutionary > juggernaut the likes of which Europe and the United States had not seen > before – or since. > > The blacks of St. Domingue forced the world to see both them and the > millions of other Africans enslaved throughout the Americas with new eyes. > No longer could it be assumed that they could forever be brutalized into > creating massive fortunes and building sprawling empires for the glory of > Europe and America. > > On January 1, 1804, hundreds of thousands of slave revolutionaries > established an independent republic and named it Haiti in honor of the > Amerindian people, long since killed off by European brutality and > diseases, who had called the land Ayiti – Land of Many Mountains. They had > banished slavery from their land and proclaimed it an official refuge for > escaped slaves from anywhere in the world. They had defeated the mightiest > of the mighty. They had shattered the myth of European invincibility. > > Europe was livid. America, apoplectic. The blacks in St. Domingue had > forgotten their place and would be made to pay. Dearly. For the next two > hundred years. > > Toussaint L'Ouverture, Dessalines, and their slave revolutionaries must > forever live in our hearts as inspiring, authentic counterweights to the > "yassuh-nosuh-scratch- > where-ah-don'-itch-and-dance-tho-there-ain'-no-music" image of our > forebears that Europe and the United States have drilled into our psyches. > > And we must remember that history forgets, first, those who forget > themselves. Via means direct and indirect, crass and subtle, there have > been whispers and street corner shouts that "current conditions in Haiti" > make our celebration of the Haitian Revolution "inappropriate" at this > time. > > We, whose souls and psyches have been bleached of everything prior to the > Middle Passage are now being told that we must tear from our consciousness > and rip from our hearts the most dramatic and triumphal assertion of > forebears' dignity, worth, and perspicacity since the Middle Passage. > > How diabolically contemptuous. > > Not only must we not forget the Haitian Revolution, we must celebrate it. > Today, through all of this its bicentennial year, and beyond. > > And we must research, understand, and expose what happened to Haiti and in > Haiti since the revolution. We must become fully conversant with the role > of "the world's leading democracies" in Haiti between 1804 and today. We > must develop a keen understanding of the repercussions of the 61-year > economic embargo that the United States imposed on Haiti in response to > its declaration of independence, and we must recognize the current-day > consequences of France forcing Haiti to pay 90 million in gold francs > (equivalent today to some $20 billion) in 1825 as "compensation" for Haiti > declaring its independence – or be crushed militarily by France. > > Today, "the world's leading democracies" cluck and gloat at their ongoing > stranglehold – in the form of a crushing financial embargo – on today's > descendants of Toussaint, Dessalines, and their freedom fighters. > Throughout the Americas, we who benefited from the daring war waged by the > slaves of St. Domingue, must reject the maneuverings of the world's most > powerful nations in Haiti and find ways to build bridges to the Haitian > people and the officials they choose – through the ballot – to lead them. > > Just over two hundred years ago, after there had been a "cessation of > hostilities" and the brilliant military strategist Toussaint L'Ouverture > had already retired to a quiet life in the St. Domingue country-side, > France decided, nonetheless, to arrest and ship him to a prison cell 3,000 > feet up the Jura Mountains of France where he would freeze to death. As he > stepped on board the boat that would forever take him away from St. > Domingue, Toussaint issued a promise to his captors and a call to us all. > "In overthrowing me, you have cut down in St. Domingue only the trunk of > the tree of liberty. It will spring up again by the roots for they are > numerous and deep." > We are those roots. > > The revolution was fought by Haitians, but won for us all. > > Through our work and with our resources, in a spirit of self-respect and > self-awareness, we must serve as counterweights to the powerful nations > who deem the ballot box sacrosanct in their countries, but surreptitiously > encourage and manipulate its rejection by "the opposition" in Haiti. We > must serve as proponents of political civility and social justice in Haiti > while "the world's leading democracies" slyly encourage recalcitrance, > tumult, and division. We must reject being manipulated by the corporate > media into embracing the notion that in France, Germany, the United States > and other "civilized nations" elections are the only legitimate > determinant of the will of the people, but in Haiti those street > demonstrations specially selected by the corporate media for coverage tell > us all we need to know about anybody's will. We must impress upon all > Haitians the fact that the outside world does not distinguish between – > and cares nothing about – > Lavalas, Convergence, or any other political grouping. The world sees > only "Haiti," "Haitians," and all the connotations that western media > have attached thereto. Those nations that two hundred years ago failed > desperately in their attempts to crush the Haitian Revolution today have > a deep psychic need to "prove" Toussaint's progeny capable of nothing but > disaster. We must reach out to and work with our Haitian brothers and > sisters to prove these nations wrong. > > Throughout the Diaspora, we must stand with and defend Haiti – on this the > anniversary of the Haitian Revolution, throughout this bicentennial year, > and for all time. 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