Well said poqo...by d way what happed in jabavu early december we welcome feedback....
Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Mduduzi Sibeko Sent: 17/12/2010 10:12:58 Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Comrade Mohlomphegi Well , it becomes difficult to ascertain who doesn't want a gravy train. Inherently, human beings are self seeking animals. In my believe that we are self seeking beings, I believe in the argument advanced hundreds years ago by thinkers such as Nicollo Machiavelli, Emanuel Kant and others, that human beings will invariably advance their sectional interests. The basic document states," for a man to live in harmony with his fellow man, man must eliminate the tendency on his part to uphold his sectional interest at the expense of his fellow man". This being sublime, but I submit that we are still far away from not upholding our sectional interests. But the ensuring scuffle is doing a damage. I have being reading the discussions and polemics, and I can see that the tagging and mud sliding is still the order of the day. In as much as you may affectionately express your resentment to an exile history of the PAC as a reference. A popular adage says, ' history repeats itself" the political antecedents we had in exile are still hunting us. You know, how painful to be hunted by the same ghost. What I see instead, is that each person supports whomever he likes. I have tried neutrality in this forum, but I see its not helping I can't mediate. It's my believe that something like a convention, weather constitutional or not, but for a matter of saving the soul of the PAC. It is a matter of life and death for us now. If you were proposing, how we could united I would appreciate that highly. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mohlomphegi Mphahlele Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:56 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] PAC Comrades We are not cursed at all. Unfortunately I do not support comparing infighting within PAC now with what happened during the apartheid era. I would say the infighting then was influence by ideological differences with exception to later PAC external mision differences. Our infighting now are influenced by greed and general ill discipline within the party. We have adopted and ANC kind ill discipline in the name of democracy. Even ants think they can challange elephants in this movement. Some of prominant leaders are using young ignorant cadres to further their self interest. This young cadres who are groomed by anc politics and happened to have read PAC basic documents during their study period and lack no direction are used to defy the leadership of PAC. This are the same leaders who cry fault to the Letlapa leadership but seek to do the same or even worse to further their selfish aim of assuping the leadership of this movement so that they can have a taste of parliamentary gravy train. This leaders would never given or show this young cadres direction even when they bring or talk a taboo deregotry language in this movement. I must indicate that we are also not happy with events within this party. Maybe because we are blinded by the discipline we have we can't do anything accept to wait for the right moment through the right channels to get rid of the present leadership if we are realy not happy with them. As of now we are appealing to this young comrades to refrain from using faul language to adress members of this party who happens not to see things their way. As for the leaders who are using this young cadres to further their selfish interests we are saying the Gods of Afrika are apon you. High Revolutionary Discipline ________________________________ From: Mduduzi Sibeko <msib...@randwater.co.za> To: "payco@googlegroups.com" <payco@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 10:06:14 AM Subject: [PAYCO] Comrades from Two Camps. PAC 50 years of infighting is inherited by all generations to generations. Is this infighting genetically inherited ? Jacob Zuma attempted to save his day by ridiculing the PAC, not in an exact verbatim, but he said something like this as a warning to factions within their ranks, " those going out of the ANC will be cursed like the PAC". Apart from the overt scorning of the PAC by Zuma. Are we really cursed ?If its true that from the inception there was rivalry in our ranks. Someone has pointed out that Josias Madzunya withdrew his Alexander constituency from participating in an anti pass campaign, because of his failed ambitions of leading the PAC. Then we would not date our paralysis in the Leballo's era. It is very unfortunate that the organization we so loved is so fragmented beyond any hope of repair to its pristine condition. The PAC will never come right, we like it or not, it will not. I know some of you comrades could be irked by these pessimistic assertions. But I tell you, in my case, I have been absent in participation, and when I was active in the early 90's, we had our sots of infighting. It's now close to 20 years in my life time that these infighting haven't ceased instead they proliferate.PAC going to court is bizarre, I saw this some years ago and I was befuddled. The PAC will be left with history of its own. I am afraid. No further appeal can be made. Resources are exhausted now. Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance Error! Filename not specified. 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