Mzu: The paralysis of the PAC has led other reactionary formations such as ANCYL to underscore our historical position of Land. The expropriation of land is of paramount importance. ZANUPF of Zimbabwe, for instance, which was a fraternal counterpart of the PAC, has some ties with the ANCYL. For 50 years now, PAC is in its infinite wrangling. The issue of parliamentary politics is a difficult one. It was AZAPO in 1994 which refrained from participating in the elections. However, in years which would follow, they came on board into the parliamentary system do understand your frustration, the problems of this country need radical approach. But, lets rather see if we can have sizable support base, before we lay acclaim of speaking for the African majority.
From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mzu Cabanga Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:08 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] How do we then forsee this repossesion of our land if we still have the settler around. Driving white people in the sea is a very bad way of putting it but how do you think the white men is going to hand the land to us after centuries of bravery from young white men fighting to destroy our race. Humanity is a very sexy name moAfrika Mdu but what claims do whites have in Afrika? they do not belong in Afrika. Why should we be so generous when there is no black men who owns land in Europe. I think moAfrika we are doing the mistake if we do not update the mistakes that our previous leaders made because of the political climate at that time. Firstly wether we like it or not the definition of an Afrikan is not accurate because tata Sobukwe never for a second did he try and use the word indeginous in his definition. Also we have fallen in the trap of Parliament hence we are defeated like boys fighting with men because we cannot fight for our people when the are Parliamentarians amongst us. They always sought to defend their priviledges and huge salaries of being Parliamentarians hence Lethlapa is the way he is now. We cannot fight for the emancipation of black people and at the same time defend white interests in Afrika. If that is what the basic document is then it needs to be updated. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Mduduzi Sibeko <msib...@randwater.co.za<mailto:msib...@randwater.co.za>> wrote: Dear Mzu: You wrote "maybe we do not need settlers in Afrika whilst we are still busy rebuilding Afrika maybe later we can trade with them but I do not forsee that" the penny dropped after protracted time, that driving a white man in to the sea was never a PAC policy. The basic document that we have been recently invoking for our politics does not exclude white people as human beings. We talk of human race, an all inclusive approach to the question of race. I wonder why we continue with the rhetoric of driving settlers away in Africa. We us understand, in no uncertain terms, that even if the PAC were to win elections. Driving white people away if far from being our approach. Let us rather understand how do we approach the race question and the indisputable fact that they still own our material possessions, that is, 87 % of our land and 80 % of wealth is in their hands. From: payco@googlegroups.com<mailto:payco@googlegroups.com> [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com<mailto:payco@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mzu Cabanga Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:10 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com<mailto:payco@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] It is not for me as an individual to come up with a solution for the Afrikans but all of the Afrikans collectively. Poqo we cannot do as the charterists are doing currently i.e. Presenting a solution for the masses as an elite that thinks they are more educated than the masses. Represantative democracy has proved itself that it is a disaster in many states around Afrika not that I am a fan of democracy. One thing I can say for now is that Land has to be expropriated(in a liberal democracy like SA but as Pan Afrikanists we reposses the land that was robbed from us) from the settlers and maybe we do not need settlers in Afrika whilst we are still busy rebuilding Afrika maybe later we can trade with them but I do not forsee that. What we need for Afrika is an economic system which is pro-black(You affirmitive action policies,Ho can a minority affirm a majority in their indeginous land) an economy that will remedy the wounds of Afrikans which have been rubbed salt onto by the Market orientated socio economic policies that the ANC (infact the settlers under the disguise of the Vararas) which have proved themselves that they are anti-black. Our people need land and skills to use the land. We cannot promise people houses when land is still occupied by whites, we cannot promise jobs when that simply means making someone rich and you just surviving. We also need an education system which embraces indeginous knowledge and not this Eurocentric system which is destroying our youth like the Chinese who are teaching acupuncture and it is taught in Higher Learning institutions. All of this can only be attained if we can de colonise our masses and in doing so de colonising ourselves as well and UNITY is the only way we can defeat the enemy. I am sure zindlalifa you can also assist because we really need our own socio economic policy document for without it we will fail to deliver to our masses after we have taken the land and not after we are in power in Parliament because Parliament is hell. On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko <msib...@randwater.co.za<mailto:msib...@randwater.co.za>> wrote: Hi Cde Mzu: Your writings seem to be averse to socio-economic policies such as GEAR, even though, you don't go at length ridiculing their counterparts such as ASGISA and others. Recently, you have been expressing your loath to the admiration of former ANC President, Thabo Mbeki by some of our comrades such as Cunningham. But my concern is PAC people have been championing to censure economic policies of other parties without voicing alternatives for the African people. In the 90's, I remember a policy document that was formulated by Dr. Sipho Tshabalala. It amongst other thing touched serious matters such as nationalization, privatization and other issue that have resurged recently in the ANCYL. That was the last time, I hear of an economic talk within the file and rank membership of the PAC. The neo-liberal socio economic policies of the ANC, which are Keynesian, have been a center of debate by the alliance itself and the intelligentsia. Many social science writers have poured scorn to what the ANC have been doing in the context of socio economic policies. For an extensive reading on this see Hans Maraais, "South Africa's alternative to change" The ANC has not succeeded in formulating an economic policy that will benefit the majority. 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