On 6/23/03 4:57 PM, Bruce Johnson posted: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> If companies/ISPs/EDUs would properly police their own networks and >> eliminate the open relays and such in a timely fashion, there would be >> no need for the blacklists.
Blacklists are a great idea. Implementation tends to be the problem. When I was an IS Manager, we used RBL, which only blocked open relays that had been demonstrated to pass spam. They would contact the postmaster. And they removed those IPs when the system manager could demonstrate that the open relay had been closed. Not all blacklists were as fair. Some (ORBS in particular) would simply list any open relay and never remove anyone from their list. They'd also list you if you voiced your displeasure with their policies. Blacklisting isn't perfect, but in years of running the system, I only heard of one client who couldn't get his email through to us. >I've had this same e-mail address for nearly ten years, been all over >the net, and I get roughly 15 spams sent to me daily. > >I don't post with my e-mail address showing in Web forums, I don't even >bother with usenet anymore, I don't reply to 'take me off this spam >list' links and I don't put my e-mail in a web form unless I have to. > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] may be getting a lot of spam, but I'm not. > >You on the other hand, are on comcast which doesn't give a rats ass >about it's customers, and probably sells it's user list. > >How do I know this? Because I know people who've gotten comcast >broadband service, have NEVER used their comcast e-mail address (using >their pharmacy e-mail instead) *anywhere* and been notified some months >later by comcast that their inbox was full. > >Why yes it was, full of spam. > >How did this address get out for the spammers to use? > >So don't blame the .edu sites, blame your isp. Don't blame your ISP. Blame the spammers. Some spammers use compiled lists of email addresses. Others use what's called a dictionary attack. If they discover "dknight" at reformed.net, they'll try it at every other domain they can come up with. I have email addresses on lowendmac.com and comcast (attbi.com, and @home.com before that) that have never been published anywhere, never used to post to a list, nothing. Yet thanks to dictionary attacks, even they get spammed. It's not because anyone is selling my unpublished lowendmac.com addresses. It's because of dictionary attacks. -- Dan Knight, president, Cobweb Publishing, Inc. <http://cobwebpublishing.com> <http://lowendmac.com> <http://digital-views.com> <http://digigraphica.com> <http://lowendpc.com> <http://reformed.net> Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rich Cook -- PCI-PowerMacs is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Sonnet & PowerLogix Upgrades - start at $169 | & CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> PCI-PowerMacs list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/pci-powermacs.shtml> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive:<http://www.mail-archive.com/pci-powermacs%40mail.maclaunch.com/> Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
