I've heard that Boris's Russian countryman, Alexander Solzenitzen, thought the gulags would have been a lot emptier in their day if the secret police were uncertain which of their middle of the night raids would have been met with a loaded gun. Regards, Bob S.
On 1/10/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well my point (even though I'm not anti-gun) is that it's better for no one > to be armed than anybody to be armed. That's what logic dictates to me. > > Rather than fighting violence with violence, find a way to stop the > violence. That's also logical. > > Tom C. > > > >From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> > >Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > >Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:34:22 -0500 > > > >There is a matter of proportion however nuclear weapons are more the > >province of governments. A single person with a gun is unlikely to kill > >a lot of people before they're stopped, (by my definition of a lot > >anyway). A government with an army and a lot of guns, or a single > >nuclear weapon can kill a whole lot of people. For that reason alone I > >believe logic dictates tis better for individuals to be armed and > >governments to be disarmed. > > > >Tom C wrote: > > > Guns kill just like nuclear weapons kill. In fact guns have killed more > > > people than nuclear weapons... so far. > > > > > > In retrospect, *probably* both inventions were a bad idea. They have > >both > > > led to untold injury, death, and suffering. Their purpose is largely, > >to > > > kill, unlike other inventions which may endanger life. > > > > > > Am I anti-gun? No. Just making a point. Sure this is simplistic, but > >the > > > truth often is. > > > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> > > >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> > > >> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > >> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:12 -0500 > > >> > > >> Sorry, I must disagree. An armed victim is more likely to defend > > >> herself than a disarmed victim. To paraphrase a member of the English > > >> House of Lords in the losing battle against the handgun ban in GB. > > >> 'Firearms are used to defend the weak against the strong. To restrict > > >> their use by citizens is to deny them the right to self defense. > > >> Governments may have the power to do that, but should not have the > > >> right.' Apparently the British Government no longer believes in the > > >> Citizens right of self defense. Do you? > > >> > > >> > > >> William Robb wrote: > > >> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain > > >>>> > > >> banned > > >> > > >>>> all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), > > >>>> > > >> violent > > >> > > >>>> crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent > >crime > > >>>> rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that > > >>>> > > >> smuggling > > >> > > >>>> firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of > > >>>> something else. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> Straw man argument, Peter. > > >>> Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more > > >>> > > >> seriously > > >> > > >>> hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at > > >>> > > >> range > > >> > > >>> where the victim has less chance of self defence. > > >>> > > >>> William Robb > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -- > > >> -- > > >> > > >> The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > > >> -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > >> PDML@pdml.net > > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >-- > > > >The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > > > >-- > >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >PDML@pdml.net > >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
