Nothing really, no I take that back. The secret police prefer to work in silence, grenades are so publicly noisy, and hard to ignore.
DagT wrote: > Great idea! What would stop them from throwing in a hand grenade > instead, or some gas? Sure, the camps would have been emptier. > > DagT > > Den 10. jan. 2007 kl. 21.48 skrev Bob Sullivan: > > >> I've heard that Boris's Russian countryman, Alexander Solzenitzen, >> thought the gulags would have been a lot emptier in their day if the >> secret police were uncertain which of their middle of the night raids >> would have been met with a loaded gun. >> Regards, Bob S. >> >> On 1/10/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Well my point (even though I'm not anti-gun) is that it's better >>> for no one >>> to be armed than anybody to be armed. That's what logic dictates >>> to me. >>> >>> Rather than fighting violence with violence, find a way to stop the >>> violence. That's also logical. >>> >>> Tom C. >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >>>> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:34:22 -0500 >>>> >>>> There is a matter of proportion however nuclear weapons are more the >>>> province of governments. A single person with a gun is unlikely >>>> to kill >>>> a lot of people before they're stopped, (by my definition of a lot >>>> anyway). A government with an army and a lot of guns, or a single >>>> nuclear weapon can kill a whole lot of people. For that reason >>>> alone I >>>> believe logic dictates tis better for individuals to be armed and >>>> governments to be disarmed. >>>> >>>> Tom C wrote: >>>> >>>>> Guns kill just like nuclear weapons kill. In fact guns have >>>>> killed more >>>>> people than nuclear weapons... so far. >>>>> >>>>> In retrospect, *probably* both inventions were a bad idea. They >>>>> have >>>>> >>>> both >>>> >>>>> led to untold injury, death, and suffering. Their purpose is >>>>> largely, >>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>>> kill, unlike other inventions which may endanger life. >>>>> >>>>> Am I anti-gun? No. Just making a point. Sure this is >>>>> simplistic, but >>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>>> truth often is. >>>>> >>>>> Tom C. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >>>>>> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:12 -0500 >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, I must disagree. An armed victim is more likely to defend >>>>>> herself than a disarmed victim. To paraphrase a member of the >>>>>> English >>>>>> House of Lords in the losing battle against the handgun ban in GB. >>>>>> 'Firearms are used to defend the weak against the strong. To >>>>>> restrict >>>>>> their use by citizens is to deny them the right to self defense. >>>>>> Governments may have the power to do that, but should not have the >>>>>> right.' Apparently the British Government no longer believes >>>>>> in the >>>>>> Citizens right of self defense. Do you? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> William Robb wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great >>>>>>>> Britain >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> banned >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> violent >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent >>>>>>>> >>>> crime >>>> >>>>>>>> rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> smuggling >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a >>>>>>>> symptom of >>>>>>>> something else. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Straw man argument, Peter. >>>>>>> Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> seriously >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be >>>>>>> used at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> range >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> where the victim has less chance of self defence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William Robb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. >>>>>> -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> >>>> The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. >>>> -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > DagT > > > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
