My conclusion is that its not very good in absolute terms and even in
a medium size print like 8x10 or 11x14 much improvement
could be seen in the print at higher resolution capture.

For RESOLUTION reference only (not technical or artistic merits,
it has little actally, but I already had it scanned & on hand) ,
Here's an example of how single person's face CAN 
be resolved, even in a fairly large group shot - 

overall shot : www.jchriso.com/temp/group1.jpg

a single face in the group : www.jchriso.com/temp/head1.jpg

My overall conclusion is that a really well done group
shot should look like a collection of single portraits
to really be fully appreciated...Thats how that old Chicago
Bears team shot I mentioned earlier impressed me as looking....

jco
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Hello Jens,

Sorry this is more like 40 people shot on the *istD, with DA 16-45 lens

ISO 400, 1/90 sec @ f/11

Here is the full shot to give you some perspective:
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3214.htm

Here is a crop of one person at 100% (no resizing, just cropped from
full size original) http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3214a.htm

I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.

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Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, January 21, 2007, 2:45:17 PM, you wrote:

JB> I must admit I haven't done much work to the digital files. I did 
JB> sharpen them, though, but that didin't help much due the the low 
JB> resolution. These crops were somthing like 100x100 pixel. That's not

JB> a lot, is it? Up rez'ing them wouldn't help either, I'm afriad.
JB> More exposure would perhaps have helped a too, but still not enough,
I
JB> believe.

JB> Of cource it's not quite fair comparing af 16-24mm sensor image to a

JB> 58x58mm slide. I would certainly not have used 35mm film for a group

JB> shot like this either. I will, however, try to make group shots with

JB> the K10D, just to see how much difference 66,7% more pixels will 
JB> actually make. I will, however, certainly bring some Velvia, a 6x6 
JB> camera with a Xenotar lens too. Just in case :-)

JB> Regards

JB> Jens Bladt
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JB> Godfrey DiGiorgi
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JB> You've stated you are producing a group shot for the web, not for 
JB> printing. You put a bunch of unexposed, crappily rendered JPEG clips

JB> up as comparison to your scanned and sharpened 6x7 clips, at double 
JB> the size they'll appear compared to the illustration here:

>>> This one wasn done with a Pentacon Six: 
>>> http://www.jensbladt.dk/Nykoege/images/Byraad-gruppe-20x30-web.jpg

JB> to say that it won't be good enough. That's just ridiculous, Jens.

JB> Learn digital exposure and rendering first. Then complain that it 
JB> won't be adequate quality if it isn't for the purpose at hand.

JB> If I had the time, I would set up a test shot and let you be the 
JB> judge. I have no photographs of 30 person groups to work with, 
JB> unfortunately ... They're not something I've had occasion to produce

JB> in the past 30 years.

JB> G


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