true, thats all I had scanned to show, go ahead and display one face of the same size group from the k10D. I dont think you are going to get very close to that with any aps image due to simple lens physics limitations on that small of a format. jco
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion I'm not particularly defending small frame digital, but your example is a much smaller group. I have shots of smaller families on the K10D, of about 10-12 people and a single crop comes much closer to your example. I guess I could pull out my shot of a group of 200 kids that I did on my old 67 and see how well it resolves. -- Bruce Sunday, January 21, 2007, 6:53:59 PM, you wrote: JCOC> My conclusion is that its not very good in absolute terms and even JCOC> in a medium size print like 8x10 or 11x14 much improvement could JCOC> be seen in the print at higher resolution capture. JCOC> For RESOLUTION reference only (not technical or artistic merits, JCOC> it has little actally, but I already had it scanned & on hand) , JCOC> Here's an example of how single person's face CAN be resolved, JCOC> even in a fairly large group shot - JCOC> overall shot : www.jchriso.com/temp/group1.jpg JCOC> a single face in the group : www.jchriso.com/temp/head1.jpg JCOC> My overall conclusion is that a really well done group shot should JCOC> look like a collection of single portraits to really be fully JCOC> appreciated...Thats how that old Chicago Bears team shot I JCOC> mentioned earlier impressed me as looking.... JCOC> jco JCOC> -----Original Message----- JCOC> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On JCOC> Behalf Of Bruce Dayton JCOC> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:50 PM JCOC> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List JCOC> Subject: Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion JCOC> Hello Jens, JCOC> Sorry this is more like 40 people shot on the *istD, with DA 16-45 JCOC> lens JCOC> ISO 400, 1/90 sec @ f/11 JCOC> Here is the full shot to give you some perspective: JCOC> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3214.htm JCOC> Here is a crop of one person at 100% (no resizing, just cropped JCOC> from full size original) JCOC> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3214a.htm JCOC> I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions. JCOC> -- JCOC> Best regards, JCOC> Bruce JCOC> Sunday, January 21, 2007, 2:45:17 PM, you wrote: JB>> I must admit I haven't done much work to the digital files. I did JB>> sharpen them, though, but that didin't help much due the the low JB>> resolution. These crops were somthing like 100x100 pixel. That's not JB>> a lot, is it? Up rez'ing them wouldn't help either, I'm afriad. JB>> More exposure would perhaps have helped a too, but still not enough, JCOC> I JB>> believe. JB>> Of cource it's not quite fair comparing af 16-24mm sensor image to a JB>> 58x58mm slide. I would certainly not have used 35mm film for a group JB>> shot like this either. I will, however, try to make group shots with JB>> the K10D, just to see how much difference 66,7% more pixels will JB>> actually make. I will, however, certainly bring some Velvia, a 6x6 JB>> camera with a Xenotar lens too. Just in case :-) JB>> Regards JB>> Jens Bladt JB>> Nytarkort / Greeting Card: JB>> http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html JB>> http://www.jensbladt.dk JB>> +45 56 63 77 11 JB>> +45 23 43 85 77 JB>> Skype: jensbladt248 JB>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- JB>> Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af JB>> Godfrey DiGiorgi JB>> Sendt: 21. januar 2007 23:13 JB>> Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List JB>> Emne: Re: Film vs. Digital - not a religion JB>> You've stated you are producing a group shot for the web, not for JB>> printing. You put a bunch of unexposed, crappily rendered JPEG clips JB>> up as comparison to your scanned and sharpened 6x7 clips, at double JB>> the size they'll appear compared to the illustration here: >>>> This one wasn done with a Pentacon Six: >>>> http://www.jensbladt.dk/Nykoege/images/Byraad-gruppe-20x30-web.jpg JB>> to say that it won't be good enough. That's just ridiculous, Jens. JB>> Learn digital exposure and rendering first. Then complain that it JB>> won't be adequate quality if it isn't for the purpose at hand. JB>> If I had the time, I would set up a test shot and let you be the JB>> judge. I have no photographs of 30 person groups to work with, JB>> unfortunately ... They're not something I've had occasion to produce JB>> in the past 30 years. JB>> G JB>> -- JB>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List JB>> [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net JB>> -- JB>> No virus found in this incoming message. JB>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. JB>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: JB>> 01/20/2007 22:31 JB>> -- JB>> No virus found in this outgoing message. JB>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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