Don't think it is getting that far.  I have photos with people in them
already in the gallery.  I believe the model release angle has to do
with commercial gain.  My issue is that the images are not even being
seen by Pentax Judges because of the pre-screening by all of us
'artists' - I gave my explanation of timing.  If the judges had to
look at everything anyway, what is the point of the pre-screen.  I am
guessing right now, but I think that it basically works where the
pre-screen will either reject or flag as accepted.  Then the judges
only need to go through the accepted images to make a final call.
This would help them tremendously in reviewing of images.  If they had
to look at the rejects also, then what is the point?

-- 
Bruce


Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 3:25:33 PM, you wrote:

as> Bruce -
as> It also involves, I would thing - model's releases and the fear of the
as> bride not wanting her photo
as> out there on line.....

as> I would never enter a portrait of anyone in a photo contest, myself,
as> unless I had a full release from
as> the subject and it wasn't a posed for shot someone asked me to take for
as> them.  

as> I think they are being cautious..

as> ann


as> Bruce Dayton wrote:

>>Probably just my own complaining, but I do continue to see a large
>>slant towards outdoor (scenic) and street photography.  One real downside to
>>'artists' voting before the judges even get a crack at it, is those
>>biases can come out.  For example, after seeing about 400 dragonflies
>>and butterflies I tend to be a little harsher in my judgements.  I
>>also tend to be a little critical of photos of art - statues,
>>paintings, etc.  As near as I can tell from timing of
>>acceptance/rejection, it appears that there is a tally of votes on a
>>photo - when it reaches a threshold of either accept or reject, the
>>photo is taken out of the voting.  The rejects are simply rejected
>>without judge intervention and the accepted are then put on hold (not
>>actual status) waiting for the judges to decide.
>>
>>So technically excellent studio or wedding work will largely go
>>unnoticed unless it involves a beautiful girl.
>>
>>Case in point - I had submitted the recent bridal portrait shot I show
>>here, prior to showing on the list.  It was rejected within hours -
>>which would indicate the judges had not even seen it (the judges take
>>much longer to get to a photo than that - usually days).  I then
>>showed it on list here and got a very strong positive response to it
>>from people I would consider pretty critical.  So I decided to
>>resubmit it to see what would happen.  This time it took a little
>>longer to reject, but it did get rejected in a time frame that would
>>lead me to believe the judges did not see it.
>>
>>I guess the real problem with a gallery like that is no one wants to
>>see quality work of other humans unless then know them.  Since they
>>don't know them, it needs to be more like a NG shot of a beggar or a
>>small child which all of us relate to.
>>
>>Anyway, just some thoughts.
>>
>>  
>>






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