Don't think it is getting that far. I have photos with people in them already in the gallery. I believe the model release angle has to do with commercial gain. My issue is that the images are not even being seen by Pentax Judges because of the pre-screening by all of us 'artists' - I gave my explanation of timing. If the judges had to look at everything anyway, what is the point of the pre-screen. I am guessing right now, but I think that it basically works where the pre-screen will either reject or flag as accepted. Then the judges only need to go through the accepted images to make a final call. This would help them tremendously in reviewing of images. If they had to look at the rejects also, then what is the point?
-- Bruce Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 3:25:33 PM, you wrote: as> Bruce - as> It also involves, I would thing - model's releases and the fear of the as> bride not wanting her photo as> out there on line..... as> I would never enter a portrait of anyone in a photo contest, myself, as> unless I had a full release from as> the subject and it wasn't a posed for shot someone asked me to take for as> them. as> I think they are being cautious.. as> ann as> Bruce Dayton wrote: >>Probably just my own complaining, but I do continue to see a large >>slant towards outdoor (scenic) and street photography. One real downside to >>'artists' voting before the judges even get a crack at it, is those >>biases can come out. For example, after seeing about 400 dragonflies >>and butterflies I tend to be a little harsher in my judgements. I >>also tend to be a little critical of photos of art - statues, >>paintings, etc. As near as I can tell from timing of >>acceptance/rejection, it appears that there is a tally of votes on a >>photo - when it reaches a threshold of either accept or reject, the >>photo is taken out of the voting. The rejects are simply rejected >>without judge intervention and the accepted are then put on hold (not >>actual status) waiting for the judges to decide. >> >>So technically excellent studio or wedding work will largely go >>unnoticed unless it involves a beautiful girl. >> >>Case in point - I had submitted the recent bridal portrait shot I show >>here, prior to showing on the list. It was rejected within hours - >>which would indicate the judges had not even seen it (the judges take >>much longer to get to a photo than that - usually days). I then >>showed it on list here and got a very strong positive response to it >>from people I would consider pretty critical. So I decided to >>resubmit it to see what would happen. This time it took a little >>longer to reject, but it did get rejected in a time frame that would >>lead me to believe the judges did not see it. >> >>I guess the real problem with a gallery like that is no one wants to >>see quality work of other humans unless then know them. Since they >>don't know them, it needs to be more like a NG shot of a beggar or a >>small child which all of us relate to. >> >>Anyway, just some thoughts. >> >> >> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

