David, could you post a sample of a 10 minute exposure with the K10?
I have tried some shots around 3 minutes with mine, NR on, and they
are almost totally red. This is at iso 1600. 800 is only marginally
better. And they were in a reasonably dark site, mag 6+ skies.

Walt

On 7/1/08, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't deny that the K20D high ISO is less noisy than the K10D. I use
> ISO 3200 & 6400 often. I haven't investigated the various high ISO NR
> settings. I just set it to weak & left it when I first got the camera.
>
> However I do shoot a quite a few of long exposures 10+ minutes, & the
> inability to turn off long exposure NR, keeps me carrying the K10D on
> night shoots.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> 2008/7/1  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > BTW, you can turn off high ISO noise reduction. You just can't turn off 
> > long exposure noise reduction, but you can set it to "auto" where it will 
> > remain off if excessive heat buildup isn't indicated.
> >
> > But for me the performance is what counts. And the camera performs better 
> > than any other Pentax offering, and, according to Adam, on a par with the 
> > Nikon D300.
> > Paul
> >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> With 8000 frames on the K20D I'm sure it's less noisy thatn the K10D at 
> >> any ISO
> >> above 400. In fact, 1600 is comparable to about 600 on the K10. And the 
> >> K10D
> >> doesn't shoot 6400. It wouldn't dare:-).
> >> Paul
> >>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > 2008/6/30 Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > > No, it's not the result of image processing you could apply in
> >> > > PhotoShop. I shoot only RAW. The RAW data is far superior. It's
> >> > > apparently the result of a sensor that generates less heat at high
> >> > > ISO than the K10D sensor.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not too sure about this.
> >> >
> >> > The inability to fully disable NR & some ISO 6400 shots I've taken
> >> > that display heat patterns, leads me believe that the sensor isn't as
> >> > noise free as many think.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > Dave
>
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