From: steve harley
On 2009-11-25 11:34 , John Sessoms wrote:
> Most purchasers won't have control over whether other people smoke
> around them, even in California. Not if they ever want to actually use
> their portable computer as a portable computer.

really? that doesn't ring true to me -- i have lots of control, with or without my computer, and my computer is extremely portable -- i carry it to and from work daily, take it on short, long and even overseas trips, use it in cafes and restaurants as well as all manner of meeting rooms


Maybe I should have said ABSOLUTE control.

Still, in the real world there's no way to be absolutely "smoke free". Any more that it's possible to absolutely avoid any of the other environmental hazards that Apple's boilerplate warranty excludes.

maybe smokers (not sure if you are one, John) don't have a good sense of how free of smoke most of the world is; after growing up permeated by parental cigarette smoke, i've since found it easy to avoid it, even before the laws have helped; last time i made a major exception was ten years ago when my mother was dying of lung cancer, and disconnecting from the oxygen a few times a day to smoke a cigarette


I am an ex-smoker, but no longer a fanatical advocate. I quit going on 40 years ago, and it's a little difficult to maintain the intensity of my attitude at this remote date. I smoked for about 10 years, getting up to two packs (or more) a day before quitting.

I actually quit in a fit of pique when I ran out, but managed to make it stick; the one time in my life when mule-headed stubbornness turned out to be good for something.

Besides, cigarettes aren't the only source of environmental pollution we have to deal with every day. And all those others seem to be clumped together under Apple's catch-all language as well.

i know well the gunk that smoke deposits, on electronics, walls, appliances, artwork ... it clearly takes heavy consisent smoking for it to build up, so an occasional waff in an outdoor cafe (which is pretty infrequent these days) won't make a difference to anything except my composure

It's not clear to me that Apple made a valid case this is what happened. I hear an excuse, not a reason.

Nor is it clear to me there IS a valid case to be made. I know well the gunk that builds up even in the absence of tobacco smoke.

Again, in the real world, there are many pollutants that contribute to the general haze we have to breath every day and if a laptop can't deal with second hand cigarette smoke, how's it supposed to deal with all that other crap?

If it's not, then the laptop is not designed to work in the real world.

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