Giving me authors' names and nothing else is still an appeal to authority. Cheers, frank
Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@comcast.net> wrote: > > >Paul via phone > > >Masters and Johnson, Kinsey and others. >> >> Who says we're hard wired that way? And how do they know it? And just >because we're hard wired (which I don't buy) how does that make it >right? >> >> Finally, nature doesn't "dictate" anything. It just is. In any event >this isn't a natural problem, it's a human problem. It has to do with >how we humans treat each other. It's an ethical issue. >> >> But, as with so many discussions that we have Paul, we've reached a >stalemate. I don't think either of us will change the mind of the >other. >> >> :-) >> >> Cheers, >> frank >> >> Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Paul via phone >>> >>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 10:35 PM, knarf <knarftheria...@gmail.com> >wrote: >>>> >>>> I know I said I was done with this thread. Apparently I lied. ;-) >>>> >>>> But I had to jump in to completely disagree with your assertion wrt >>> the underlying premise. >>>> >>>> To my mind the premise is that there is a huge disparity in the way >>> that women and men are portrayed in the media including the arts. >Women >>> tend to be sexualized far more than men and often in denigrating and >>> offensive ways. That includes but doesn't have to mean nudity. >>>> >>>> People can point to exceptions but that doesn't change the fact >that >>> women are sexualized far more often and in different ways than men. >>>> >>>> This doesn't mean that sex is dirty or wrong or that it doesn't >make >>> the world go 'round. >>>> >>>> A bit of balance would be nice, that's all... >>> >>> But those who study human sexuality contend that while men take >>> considerable pleasure in female nudity, most women are not deeply >>> aroused by the male body. Seems to be the way we're wired. Why >agonize >>> over it? Nature doesn't dictate balance in all things. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> frank, back to spectating - for now >>>> >>>> >>>> Walt <ldott...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I think the underlying premise -- that to portray a human as a >>> sexual >>>>> being is to inherently denigrate other aspects of their humanity >-- >>> is >>>>> a >>>>> false one. >>>>> >>>>> All of this calls to mind a recent discovery for me: a woman named >>>>> Susan >>>>> Oliver. I just happened to see her in an episode of the Andy >>> Griffith >>>>> Show that was on the TV at the bar where I worked and was struck >by >>>>> just >>>>> how beautiful a woman she was, and as it turned out, a woman at >the >>> bar >>>>> >>>>> happened to know her name. >>>>> >>>>> So, I started doing a little reading up on her on the internet, >and >>> as >>>>> it turned out, she was an absolutely fascinating person. >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Oliver >>>>> >>>>> Now, to be sure, my initial impression of her was that she was >just >>>>> drop-dead gorgeous -- which is an observation I wouldn't likely >make >>> of >>>>> >>>>> a male, no matter how handsome he might be. My interest just isn't > >>>>> captured by attractive men. So, the very fact that I noticed Susan > >>>>> Oliver at all could be laid at the feet of sexual objectification, >>> or >>>>> sexism, whatever you want to call it. >>>>> >>>>> But, as I started to learn more about her and her accomplishments, >I >>> >>>>> developed a more wide-ranging kind of admiration for her. The fact >>> that >>>>> >>>>> my initial interest in her was sparked by sexual attraction didn't >>> in >>>>> any way detract from my appreciation of her as an accomplished >woman >>>>> any >>>>> more than learning more about her considerable achievements >>> minimized >>>>> my >>>>> appreciation of her as a smokin' hot sex kitten. >>>>> >>>>> It >> >> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
