I don't have time for a lot of silliness, but I spent ten seconds googling this. Here's one: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301051103000541 On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:57 AM, knarf <[email protected]> wrote:
> Giving me authors' names and nothing else is still an appeal to authority. > > Cheers, > frank > > Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Paul via phone >> >> >> Masters and Johnson, Kinsey and others. >>> >>> Who says we're hard wired that way? And how do they know it? And just >> because we're hard wired (which I don't buy) how does that make it >> right? >>> >>> Finally, nature doesn't "dictate" anything. It just is. In any event >> this isn't a natural problem, it's a human problem. It has to do with >> how we humans treat each other. It's an ethical issue. >>> >>> But, as with so many discussions that we have Paul, we've reached a >> stalemate. I don't think either of us will change the mind of the >> other. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> frank >>> >>> Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul via phone >>>> >>>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 10:35 PM, knarf <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I know I said I was done with this thread. Apparently I lied. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> But I had to jump in to completely disagree with your assertion wrt >>>> the underlying premise. >>>>> >>>>> To my mind the premise is that there is a huge disparity in the way >>>> that women and men are portrayed in the media including the arts. >> Women >>>> tend to be sexualized far more than men and often in denigrating and >>>> offensive ways. That includes but doesn't have to mean nudity. >>>>> >>>>> People can point to exceptions but that doesn't change the fact >> that >>>> women are sexualized far more often and in different ways than men. >>>>> >>>>> This doesn't mean that sex is dirty or wrong or that it doesn't >> make >>>> the world go 'round. >>>>> >>>>> A bit of balance would be nice, that's all... >>>> >>>> But those who study human sexuality contend that while men take >>>> considerable pleasure in female nudity, most women are not deeply >>>> aroused by the male body. Seems to be the way we're wired. Why >> agonize >>>> over it? Nature doesn't dictate balance in all things. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> frank, back to spectating - for now >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Walt <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> I think the underlying premise -- that to portray a human as a >>>> sexual >>>>>> being is to inherently denigrate other aspects of their humanity >> -- >>>> is >>>>>> a >>>>>> false one. >>>>>> >>>>>> All of this calls to mind a recent discovery for me: a woman named >>>>>> Susan >>>>>> Oliver. I just happened to see her in an episode of the Andy >>>> Griffith >>>>>> Show that was on the TV at the bar where I worked and was struck >> by >>>>>> just >>>>>> how beautiful a woman she was, and as it turned out, a woman at >> the >>>> bar >>>>>> >>>>>> happened to know her name. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, I started doing a little reading up on her on the internet, >> and >>>> as >>>>>> it turned out, she was an absolutely fascinating person. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Oliver >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, to be sure, my initial impression of her was that she was >> just >>>>>> drop-dead gorgeous -- which is an observation I wouldn't likely >> make >>>> of >>>>>> >>>>>> a male, no matter how handsome he might be. My interest just isn't >> >>>>>> captured by attractive men. So, the very fact that I noticed Susan >> >>>>>> Oliver at all could be laid at the feet of sexual objectification, >>>> or >>>>>> sexism, whatever you want to call it. >>>>>> >>>>>> But, as I started to learn more about her and her accomplishments, >> I >>>> >>>>>> developed a more wide-ranging kind of admiration for her. The fact >>>> that >>>>>> >>>>>> my initial interest in her was sparked by sexual attraction didn't >>>> in >>>>>> any way detract from my appreciation of her as an accomplished >> woman >>>>>> any >>>>>> more than learning more about her considerable achievements >>>> minimized >>>>>> my >>>>>> appreciation of her as a smokin' hot sex kitten. >>>>>> >>>>>> It >>> >>> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> and follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
