Thanks again, Frank. > On Jul 5, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Knarf <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's interesting that the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of > Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) was declared almost unanimously by the UN. Only > four countries voted against it. > > Care to guess who? > > Canada, the USA, Australia and New Zealand. All former British colonies. All > now controlled by a white European majority population with a minority > remnant indigenous population. > > The US and Canada have since made limited endorsement of UNDRIP, falling > short of accepting that it's anywhere near legally binding. > > I make no further comment. > > Cheers, > > frank > > On 5 July, 2015 12:57:23 AM EDT, Brian Walters <[email protected]> wrote: >> Well said, Frank. >> >> I'm not even sure why Bipin posted this now. Apart from being wildly >> off topic (nothing wrong with that but we try to avoid politics, >> religion etc - see the FAQ - and the post should have been labelled >> O.T.), the entire issue dates from 2010-2012. >> >> President Obama's announcement on December 16, as linked by Bipin, was >> December 16 2010 and James Alaya's report was May 2012. This is not >> exactly 'breaking news'. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Brian >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Brian Walters >> Western Sydney Australia >> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 5, 2015, at 01:55 PM, Knarf wrote: >>> Okay. The UN never said anything about returning the US to First >> Nations. >>> Never. >>> >>> James Alaya is a Special Rapporteur to the UN. He's not the UN. And >> he >>> never said anything about returning Manhattan to natives, either. He >>> spoke of some very specific disputed lands, to wit: >>> >>> JAMES ANAYA: "I’m not sure why that has grabbed the headlines so >> much. I >>> simply, in a press conference in Washington when I concluded my >> visit, >>> referred to the Black Hills as an example of an unsettled claim. The >>> Black Hills were taken illegally from the Lakota people, and that was >>> acknowledged by the United States Supreme Court itself. Compensation >> was >>> offered, but the Lakota people have refused to take the money because >> of >>> the significance that the Black Hills hold for them. And what I’ve >> said >>> is that that issue should be addressed and that ways should be >> explored >>> by which control or a reconnection, some kind of restoration, should >>> occur—could occur, by which the Lakota people could have a greater >> access >>> to the Black Hills, be more present there, and that place represent >> again >>> a part of the people, the Lakota people, as opposed to simply >>> representing their defeat and the negative side of history.Now, I >> haven’t >>> said anything about Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore could stay >>> under federal control, or it could be part of a joint management >> between >>> the federal government and the Lakota people. There are all kinds of >>> possibilities. I’ve simply said that this matter needs to be looked >> at as >>> part of the reconciliation that Congress itself says needs to take >>> place." >>> >>> Geez, sounds reasonable to me! >>> >>> Articles like the one posted remind me of the Protocols of the Elders >> of >>> Zion: make shit up, falsely attribute it to whomever you want to >> smear >>> and let the idiot right-wing press run with it. >>> >>> Yeah, there's a seed of truth to the extent that Alaya is proposing >> the >>> return of ~some~ disputed lands but to then say the the UN is calling >> for >>> the return of Manhattan is just an out and out lie. I'm suprised >> anyone >>> here bought that without further investigation. >>> Here's the full interview of Alaya, from his website: >>> >>> >> http://unsr.jamesanaya.org/visit-to-usa/un-probe-us-should-address-land-issues-as-part-of-reconciliation-with-native-americans-interview-democracynow >>> >>> For fuck sake! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> frank >>> >>> On 4 July, 2015 1:35:57 PM EDT, Bipin Gupta <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> UN wants the US to return Native American lands. Read on here: >>>> >>> >>> http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/06/un-wants-the-us-to-return-native-american-lands/ >>>> >>>> The Sand Hill Indian Tribe located in New Jersey filed a lawsuit >>>> “claiming Manhattan, as well as the Hudson Areas, and the states of >>>> NJ, Delaware and Eastern Pennsylvania,” according to a Sand Hill >> press >>>> release. The Tribes stated “violation of human rights, genocide, and >>>> breaking of treaties etc.” >>>> >>> >>> http://www.vosizneias.com/58248/2010/06/18/new-york-ny-indian-tribe-filed-lawsuit-claiming-manhattan-was-taken-from-them-illegally/ >>>> >>>> The President announced on December 16 that the U.S. would reverse >>>> course and support the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of >>>> Indigenous People. The Declaration was adopted by the U.N. General >>>> Assembly in 2007, but the U.S., under President Bush, opposed it. >>>> >>> >>> http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/latest-right-wing-freak-out-obama-wants-to-give-manhattan-back-to-native-americans >>>> >>>> Israelis dressed as “Native Americans” protest in front of the US >>>> Embassy in Tel Aviv against US pressure on Israel to freeze >> settlement >>>> building. >>>> >>>> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3764489,00.html >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> and >>>> follow the directions. >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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