Scary, isn't it? On a few levels...
ann
On 12/20/2018 10:42 PM, John wrote:
If the three photos were attributed to photographers Tom, Dick and
Harry (or Peter, John & Larry), being elbow to elbow in the same bus
to photograph polar bears would make sense.
But it's NOT Tom, Dick and Harry. It's three well known top
professionals who all make their incomes from the *uniqueness* of
their images.
On 12/20/2018 15:44:48, P. J. Alling wrote:
There are communities in parts of Canada around Hudson's Bay and
Alaska where Polar Bears wander down the middle of what you could
call Main Street, and there's no accounting for the stupidity of
people. Bears of all kinds are dangerous, hair triggered giant, on a
human scale at least, carnivores, who won't hesitate to attack when
they feel threatened, or maybe just hungry, and certain people just
don't seem to understand that.
Case in point, (Grizzly first cousin to a Polar Bear),
http://www.explorenorth.com/videos/grizzly-photographer_killed.html
There's no date on this article but I believe it was remarked upon in
the PDML back when it happened a number of years ago IIRC, or maybe
it was another incident, not really important.
Now there is a distinct possibility that the three photographers took
the image from a vehicle that looks like the one pictured in this
article,
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2017/02/17/polar-bear-spotting-churchill-canada/14872880344228
but, don't discount that there are photographers taking photos of
bears, while just wandering around the wilderness. There may be
rules as in Denali to keep at least a quarter mile away from bears,
but as I said, people can be unbelievably stupid, and there isn't a
Ranger behind every tree to enforce the rules. Really would you want
there to be?
On 12/20/2018 1:35 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
I think it's more easily explained by a bunch of photographers on a
tour having to stand next to each other inside an anti-polar bear
cage or something, than it is by plagiarism. They're not going to be
wandering around at will, choosing the best spot, in a place full of
hungry polar bears.
On 20 Dec 2018, at 17:03, John <[email protected]> wrote:
I note that Mangelsen Gallery doesn't identify a photographer, but
presumably if another photographer had taken it, the gallery would
attribute it to them, so it "must" have been taken by Thomas
Mangelsen. ???
That raises more questions than it answers.
We now have three versions of the same image (one a mirror copy)
supposedly taken by Thomas Mangelsen, Kennan Ward and/or Tom & Pat
Leeson.
I just don't see the three** of them standing tripod to tripod to
tripod photographing the same trio of bears. So who plagiarized whom?
I still wonder how the two versions of the image came to be
mirrored and was it taken in Churchill in Manitoba or at ANWR in
Alaska ... or somewhere else? But that's the least of the questions
I have about the image.
Another thing ... if it was purchased from Mangelsen Gallery, there
should be a label on the back, especially if it's a limited edition
print (certificate of authenticity?). A limited edition print
should also be signed & numbered, usually on the mat.
Finally, that's a mighty cheap looking frame for an image that sold
for so much.
On 12/19/2018 22:49:33, ann sanfedele wrote:
John - Ken wrote me off list - I didnt realise he had not sent
his reply to the list.. As a result of his correct ID I replied...
Third attribution today... I think you have the right answer
-- The price adds up to what friend 1 paid for it
https://www.mangelsen.com/platinum-level-images/winter-solace-2446.html
and who was it that noted that it could have been taken on a photo
outing in in Churchill - I knew (or felt certain that was where
it was taken)
thanks, Ken
ann
On 12/19/2018 8:04 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
Ann, it's a Thomas Mangelsen image titled "Winter Solace", one of
1500 copies, with only 5 left for sale by Mangelsen - it goes for
$1595. A mother polar bear and cubs are a familiar subject for
those that photograph them.
Hope this helps.
On 12/19/2018 10:31 PM, John wrote:
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