You've fallen for the marketing... > On 21 Dec 2018, at 03:43, John <[email protected]> wrote: > > If the three photos were attributed to photographers Tom, Dick and Harry (or > Peter, John & Larry), being elbow to elbow in the same bus to photograph > polar bears would make sense. > > But it's NOT Tom, Dick and Harry. It's three well known top professionals who > all make their incomes from the *uniqueness* of their images. > >> On 12/20/2018 15:44:48, P. J. Alling wrote: >> There are communities in parts of Canada around Hudson's Bay and Alaska >> where Polar Bears wander down the middle of what you could call Main Street, >> and there's no accounting for the stupidity of people. Bears of all kinds >> are dangerous, hair triggered giant, on a human scale at least, carnivores, >> who won't hesitate to attack when they feel threatened, or maybe just >> hungry, and certain people just don't seem to understand that. >> Case in point, (Grizzly first cousin to a Polar Bear), >> http://www.explorenorth.com/videos/grizzly-photographer_killed.html There's >> no date on this article but I believe it was remarked upon in the PDML back >> when it happened a number of years ago IIRC, or maybe it was another >> incident, not really important. >> Now there is a distinct possibility that the three photographers took the >> image from a vehicle that looks like the one pictured in this article, >> https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2017/02/17/polar-bear-spotting-churchill-canada/14872880344228 >> but, don't discount that there are photographers taking photos of bears, >> while just wandering around the wilderness. There may be rules as in Denali >> to keep at least a quarter mile away from bears, but as I said, people can >> be unbelievably stupid, and there isn't a Ranger behind every tree to >> enforce the rules. Really would you want there to be? >>> On 12/20/2018 1:35 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: >>> I think it's more easily explained by a bunch of photographers on a tour >>> having to stand next to each other inside an anti-polar bear cage or >>> something, than it is by plagiarism. They're not going to be wandering >>> around at will, choosing the best spot, in a place full of hungry polar >>> bears. >>> >>>> On 20 Dec 2018, at 17:03, John <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I note that Mangelsen Gallery doesn't identify a photographer, but >>>> presumably if another photographer had taken it, the gallery would >>>> attribute it to them, so it "must" have been taken by Thomas Mangelsen. ??? >>>> >>>> That raises more questions than it answers. >>>> >>>> We now have three versions of the same image (one a mirror copy) >>>> supposedly taken by Thomas Mangelsen, Kennan Ward and/or Tom & Pat Leeson. >>>> >>>> I just don't see the three** of them standing tripod to tripod to tripod >>>> photographing the same trio of bears. So who plagiarized whom? >>>> >>>> I still wonder how the two versions of the image came to be mirrored and >>>> was it taken in Churchill in Manitoba or at ANWR in Alaska ... or >>>> somewhere else? But that's the least of the questions I have about the >>>> image. >>>> >>>> Another thing ... if it was purchased from Mangelsen Gallery, there should >>>> be a label on the back, especially if it's a limited edition print >>>> (certificate of authenticity?). A limited edition print should also be >>>> signed & numbered, usually on the mat. >>>> >>>> Finally, that's a mighty cheap looking frame for an image that sold for so >>>> much. >>>> >>>>> On 12/19/2018 22:49:33, ann sanfedele wrote: >>>>> John - Ken wrote me off list - I didnt realise he had not sent his reply >>>>> to the list.. As a result of his correct ID I replied... >>>>> Third attribution today... I think you have the right answer -- The >>>>> price adds up to what friend 1 paid for it >>>>> https://www.mangelsen.com/platinum-level-images/winter-solace-2446.html >>>>> and who was it that noted that it could have been taken on a photo outing >>>>> in in Churchill - I knew (or felt certain that was where it was taken) >>>>> thanks, Ken >>>>> ann >>>>> On 12/19/2018 8:04 PM, Ken Waller wrote: >>>>> Ann, it's a Thomas Mangelsen image titled "Winter Solace", one of 1500 >>>>> copies, with only 5 left for sale by Mangelsen - it goes for $1595. A >>>>> mother polar bear and cubs are a familiar subject for those that >>>>> photograph them. >>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>> On 12/19/2018 10:31 PM, John wrote: > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions.
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