Ann - to me Mangelsen is one of the very best outdoor photogs - but IMO he
IS the best at marketing and selling his work.
But two other photographers have been credited with what looks like an
exact photo on the web....
Key to your statement is 'looks like' - I seriously doubt that their images
are identical to Mangelsen's, if it was there would probably be legal action
among the parties involved. As I said in an earlier email - polar bears
inhabit a large portion of the north country and are typically photographed
by pros in great light, with the attraction of the momma and 2 cubs not
being that rare.
To me, the photo is not one of his best by a large margin.. too static and
a bit too cutsie-pie for me... which goes along with my opinion of
deceased friends taste in general.
I somewhat agree with your take on the image, but remember he's looking to
sell to the general public, and cutsie sells !
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
----- Original Message -----
From: "ann sanfedele" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: PESO - a framed photo by...?
Ken - it is clear you are right... though the photo of the photo I
showed you guys is askew.. there are other bits in other party goes
photos...
Also, given the size my friend has and the prices for a framed numbered
and signed print on his web page of that specific shot The ID of the
work my friend has is solved..
But two other photographers have been credited with what looks like an
exact photo on the web.... I'm not thinking the other photographers
plagerized Mangelsen's work or claimed they or he or she took it, but
that multiple mistakes have been made in attribution.
Ken - there are cases on line of that exact photo being attributed to
two other photogs - not "similar" - perhaps because all three are noted for
their photos taken in Churchill - perhaps a lot of innocent
misattribution by deduction, as it were.
When I've googled my name in the image google search, lots of photos
appear that were neither taken by me or are photso OF me - of course I know
which are mine and which photos I'm in, but someone doing sloppy
research might put my name on someone elses work, then someone sees that
and continiues the myth.
I|m really glad you knew for sure... and I am familiar with his work,
too, but not to the extent you are - seen some interviews and such on
PBS for instance..
To me, the photo is not one of his best by a large margin.. too static
and a bit too cutsie-pie for me... which goes along with my opinion of
deceased friends taste in general.
ann
On 12/22/2018 12:46 AM, Ken Waller wrote:
Its a Mangelsen photo. All the photos in his galleries are by him. He had
galleries in several cities (I've been to his galleries in Santa Barbara,
Ca., Jackson Hole ,Wy. and in the Pittsburgh Airport). His were the best
photographic galleries I've ever had the pleasure of visiting.
I just don't see the three** of them standing tripod to tripod to tripod
photographing the same trio of bears. So who plagiarized whom?
There's no plagiarizing going on here IMO. Mangelsen and Ward are well
known outdoor photogs and travel extensively to capture the images they
seek. Polar bears are a favorite subject for alot of outdoor photographers
and are photographed in numerous place. Just because similar images are
taken by several photographers doesn't mean there is any plagiarizing
going on - except maybe from the first photog to show a polar bear image
like "Winter Solace". As far as I know, Mangelsen was the first pro photog
to shown a Grizzly bear at Brooks Falls in Katmai Alaska, with a salmon
jumping into its mouth. All similar shots like his have been called the
Mangelsen shot by other pros.
Finally, that's a mighty cheap looking frame for an image that sold for
so much.
As noted on the Mangelsen web page, he offers the image in 8 different
display options from framed to canvas only.
A limited edition print should also be signed & numbered, usually on the
mat.
According to Mangelsen's web page - "All Mangelsen limited edition
photographs are assigned a unique number and hand-signed by the artist.
Each photograph includes a certificate of authenticity".
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - a framed photo by...?
I note that Mangelsen Gallery doesn't identify a photographer, but
presumably if
another photographer had taken it, the gallery would attribute it to them,
so it
"must" have been taken by Thomas Mangelsen. ???
That raises more questions than it answers.
We now have three versions of the same image (one a mirror copy)
supposedly
taken by Thomas Mangelsen, Kennan Ward and/or Tom & Pat Leeson.
I just don't see the three** of them standing tripod to tripod to tripod
photographing the same trio of bears. So who plagiarized whom?
I still wonder how the two versions of the image came to be mirrored and
was it
taken in Churchill in Manitoba or at ANWR in Alaska ... or somewhere else?
But
that's the least of the questions I have about the image.
Another thing ... if it was purchased from Mangelsen Gallery, there should
be a
label on the back, especially if it's a limited edition print (certificate
of
authenticity?). A limited edition print should also be signed & numbered,
usually on the mat.
Finally, that's a mighty cheap looking frame for an image that sold for so
much.
On 12/19/2018 22:49:33, ann sanfedele wrote:
John - Ken wrote me off list - I didnt realise he had not sent his reply
to the list.. As a result of his correct ID I replied...
Third attribution today... I think you have the right answer -- The price
adds up to what friend 1 paid for it
https://www.mangelsen.com/platinum-level-images/winter-solace-2446.html
and who was it that noted that it could have been taken on a photo outing
in in Churchill - I knew (or felt certain that was where it was taken)
thanks, Ken
ann
On 12/19/2018 8:04 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
Ann, it's a Thomas Mangelsen image titled "Winter Solace", one of 1500
copies, with only 5 left for sale by Mangelsen - it goes for $1595. A
mother polar bear and cubs are a familiar subject for those that
photograph them.
Hope this helps.
On 12/19/2018 10:31 PM, John wrote:
This particular trio of bears appears to have been photographed at
ANWR - the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska.
On 12/19/2018 17:42:41, Jostein wrote:
My thought as well, Bob. A very popular place for North American
photographers is the town Churchill in Canada, situated on the Hudson
Bay where polar bears gather to wait for the bay to freeze over so they
can go hunt seals.
https://www.google.com/search?q=polar+bear+churchill&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwibrqiN-6zfAhWEESwKHW2ICKMQsAR6BAgAEAE&biw=1920&bih=1064
Jostein
Den 19.12.2018 22:54, skrev Bob W-PDML:
That's interesting. It looks to me as though the Kennan and Leeson
photos are separate pictures of the same scene, taken at the same time
with the photographers next to each other, for example on the same
expedition/photo tour. Look at the tuft of grass in each one in
relation to the bears - it shows slightly different angles. Or it
could be that the site I linked to had wrongly attributed the photo.
** Four counting Pat Leeson.
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