Seems to me that we do have direct experience no matter how vague it may seem. Certainly something precedes words. Words do not emerge of their own accord. I associate a triad with three stages and see the sign as what exists at every stage but which moves from vagueness (penumbra) through some sort of index to some form of expression or action. I certainly made no assumptions of the sort you note. I find that reaction surprising. Sorry!
*@stephencrose <https://twitter.com/stephencrose>* On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:09 PM, John Collier <colli...@ukzn.ac.za> wrote: > At 08:00 PM 2014-08-03, Stephen C. Rose wrote: > >> The notion of how signs get to their editing is clearly ultimately a >> matter of theory. But the theory can stipulate that there is the penumbra >> which I infer from direct experience. >> > > I don't think you entitled to do this. Do you really think I would be so > stupid as to ignore this possibility? I am arguing that what you experience > is already interpreted, and hence not a pure first. > > Indeed, merely because we use words and theories, of necessity, does not >> mean that they do not correctly infer things that are real, including >> things to which we have given names. For example the word tolerance refers >> to something which I believe is real, along with other values, And by real >> I mean they are universal and universally applicable. Now that is clearly >> all theoretical, but it makes all the difference if what you are theorizing >> is something you take to be fundamental to reality. >> > > Yes, but this is rather beside the point. I am not arguing that pure > firsts are not real; I am arguing that they are not what we experience > directly. > > John > > ---------- > Professor John Collier > colli...@ukzn.ac.za > Philosophy and Ethics, University of KwaZulu-Natal, Durban 4041 South > Africa > T: +27 (31) 260 3248 / 260 2292 F: +27 (31) 260 3031 > Http://web.ncf.ca/collier > > > > ----------------------------- > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L > but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the > BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm > . > > > > > >
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