I agree with John; pure Firstness is totally unanalyzed experience. The
triadic sign in a mode of Firstness (all three Relations in Firstness) has
no 'mind' Relation in itself. Therefore we are not aware of it, as itself,
because awareness requires a separation from that experience and the self.
Edwina
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From: "John Collier" <[email protected]>
To: "Stephen C. Rose" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Peirce List" <[email protected]>
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At 08:00 PM 2014-08-03, Stephen C. Rose wrote:
The notion of how signs get to their editing is clearly ultimately a
matter of theory. But the theory can stipulate that there is the
penumbra which I infer from direct experience.
I don't think you entitled to do this. Do you really think I would be
so stupid as to ignore this possibility? I am arguing that what you
experience is already interpreted, and hence not a pure first.
Indeed, merely because we use words and theories, of necessity,
does not mean that they do not correctly infer things that are
real, including things to which we have given names. For example
the word tolerance refers to something which I believe is real,
along with other values, And by real I mean they are universal and
universally applicable. Now that is clearly all theoretical, but it
makes all the difference if what you are theorizing is something
you take to be fundamental to reality.
Yes, but this is rather beside the point. I am not arguing that pure
firsts are not real; I am arguing that they are not what we
experience directly.
John
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