Tom, List, Vacating as I am (on our annual dramatic immersion) and having no new thoughts for the nonce on the hoary old mater of nature v. nurser I would be reduced to recycling links to previous adumbrations — were it not that I've been chastened from that — so I'll just leave my sample statistical for what it tells of themes universal.
Regards, Jon http://inquiryintoinquiry.com > On Jul 17, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ozzie <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jon - > I believe mothers who deny basic care to their fetuses and babies are a > minority, and that when the neglected/abandoned children get older they are > often emotionally disturbed and have an impaired ability to think > objectively. > > That does not seem to be the right starting point for a discussion of > instinct & emotion in the logical process. If we want to discuss human > instinct, we should focus on a representative human instead of an abnormal > one. (The logic of emotionally damaged people is more psychology than > philosophy.) > > Regards, > Tom Wyrick > > > > >> On Jul 17, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Jon Awbrey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Tom, List, >> >> Having done statistical consulting for nurse researchers I can tell you that >> "low birth-weight babies" and "mother-infant communication" are two major >> areas of research and practice. In neither case is perinatal life quite so >> halcyon as we'd like to imagine. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jon >> >>> On 7/17/2015 11:53 AM, Ozzie wrote: >>> Ben, list - >>> Thanks for your interesting comments. I will spend more time thinking >>> about them later today. >>> >>> Let me briefly address one sentence from your comments: "I'd say that >>> instincts can also be triggered _inside_ the body, e.g., by prolonged >>> emptiness of the stomach." >>> >>> According to the common definition (interpretant) instincts are triggered >>> by things in the external world. Before birth, food is ALWAYS available >>> to the baby. After birth, and assuming an attentive mother (caregiver), >>> food continues to be available without any effort or reciprocation on the >>> baby's behalf. This goes on daily for many years, so not feeling hunger >>> pains becomes the norm, the expectation. >>> >>> Against that backdrop, when food is withheld (by the external environment), >>> one's sensation of hunger (-) is a disturbance to the status quo (0), which >>> summons the instinct to do something (+) to make that "pain" go away. When >>> something from the environment is eaten (+), the sensation (-) disappears >>> (0). >>> >>> It is in this sense hunger pains and their elimination are related to >>> (triggered by) the individual's contact with the external world. If the >>> individual eats a full meal AND THEN feels hungry, I agree that particular >>> sensation has an *internal trigger (likely emotions or a physical >>> disability). >>> >>> Regards, >>> Tom Wyrick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:04 AM, Benjamin Udell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Regarding some of your comments, I'd say that instincts can also be >>>> triggered _inside_ the body, e.g., by prolonged emptiness of the stomach. >>
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