Jon, List - > "I'll just leave my sample statistical for what it tells of themes universal."
Since you're on vacation, I looked up some figures on low-weight births. Among non-Hispanic White women in the USA, the low-weight birth rate is about 7.2%, or 1-in-14 births. The rate is lower than the overall average among women age 25-35, and is highest among women over 40 years and for women giving birth to multiple children -- a number on the upswing. The latter two causes appear to be physiological/medical, and unrelated to neglect of the child's welfare. So the rate of pre-birth "neglect" among this main cohort of child-bearers must be below 1-in-20. The trend is gradually trending higher over time. Very-low weight births among non-Hispanic White women is 1.2%. http://mchb.hrsa.gov/chusa08/hstat/hsi/pages/203vlbw.html Data on breast feeding show that about 75% of all mothers breast feed their children some of the time, and 12.5% (1/8) breast feed exclusively during the first 6 months. Breast feeding is positively related to household income, ranging from about 10.6% at the bottom end of the income scale to 14.7% at the top. (This effect may reflect differences in leisure time, education and other things.) I'm not suggesting these data answer any deeper questions. I only looked them up to see how prevalent the problem of "neglect" might be during the pre-birth (gestation) period. Regards, Tom Wyrick > On Jul 17, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Jon Awbrey <[email protected]> wrote: > > Tom, List, > > Vacating as I am (on our annual dramatic immersion) and having no new > thoughts for the nonce on the hoary old mater of nature v. nurser I would be > reduced to recycling links to previous adumbrations — were it not that I've > been chastened from that — so I'll just leave my sample statistical for what > it tells of themes universal. > > Regards, > > Jon > > http://inquiryintoinquiry.com > >> On Jul 17, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ozzie <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Jon - >> I believe mothers who deny basic care to their fetuses and babies are a >> minority, and that when the neglected/abandoned children get older they are >> often emotionally disturbed and have an impaired ability to think >> objectively. >> >> That does not seem to be the right starting point for a discussion of >> instinct & emotion in the logical process. If we want to discuss human >> instinct, we should focus on a representative human instead of an abnormal >> one. (The logic of emotionally damaged people is more psychology than >> philosophy.) >> >> Regards, >> Tom Wyrick >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Jon Awbrey <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Tom, List, >>> >>> Having done statistical consulting for nurse researchers I can tell you >>> that "low birth-weight babies" and "mother-infant communication" are two >>> major areas of research and practice. In neither case is perinatal life >>> quite so halcyon as we'd like to imagine. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Jon >>> >>>> On 7/17/2015 11:53 AM, Ozzie wrote: >>>> Ben, list - >>>> Thanks for your interesting comments. I will spend more time thinking >>>> about them later today. >>>> >>>> Let me briefly address one sentence from your comments: "I'd say that >>>> instincts can also be triggered _inside_ the body, e.g., by prolonged >>>> emptiness of the stomach." >>>> >>>> According to the common definition (interpretant) instincts are triggered >>>> by things in the external world. Before birth, food is ALWAYS available >>>> to the baby. After birth, and assuming an attentive mother (caregiver), >>>> food continues to be available without any effort or reciprocation on the >>>> baby's behalf. This goes on daily for many years, so not feeling hunger >>>> pains becomes the norm, the expectation. >>>> >>>> Against that backdrop, when food is withheld (by the external >>>> environment), one's sensation of hunger (-) is a disturbance to the status >>>> quo (0), which summons the instinct to do something (+) to make that >>>> "pain" go away. When something from the environment is eaten (+), the >>>> sensation (-) disappears (0). >>>> >>>> It is in this sense hunger pains and their elimination are related to >>>> (triggered by) the individual's contact with the external world. If the >>>> individual eats a full meal AND THEN feels hungry, I agree that particular >>>> sensation has an *internal trigger (likely emotions or a physical >>>> disability). >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Tom Wyrick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:04 AM, Benjamin Udell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Regarding some of your comments, I'd say that instincts can also be >>>>> triggered _inside_ the body, e.g., by prolonged emptiness of the stomach. >>>
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