Edwina, List:

I understand your hesitancy, and appreciate your willingness to offer some

1.  Not surprisingly, your analysis makes sense within your model of
semiosis, in which a "Sign" is an (inter)action; but not within mine, in
which a "Sign" is one of three Correlates in a triadic relation that
corresponds to a "Sign-action."  Again, what you call "agents" are what I
call "Quasi-minds" based on my reading of Peirce in which the utterer and
interpreter are individual Quasi-minds that become "welded" in the Sign,
which serves as a medium for communication of a Form between them.

2.  I do not see how a "perfect Sign" as defined by Peirce can be a mere
Rheme, since it is "the aggregate formed by a sign and all the signs which
its occurrence carries with it" (EP 2:545n25).  It instead must be an
Argument, which necessarily *involves* Dicisigns, which necessarily *involve
*Rhemes; and its Conclusion is the one Interpretant that this complex of
connected Signs produces (cf. CP 250-253, EP 2:292-294; 1903).  In
Existential Graphs, where the Quasi-mind is the sheet of assertion or
Phemic Sheet, "We are to imagine that two parties collaborate in composing
a Pheme [Dicisign], and in operating upon this so as to develop a Delome
[Argument] ... The two collaborating parties shall be called the *Graphist *and
the *Interpreter* ... the *Quasi-mind* in which the Graphist and
Interpreter are at one, being ... a Pheme [Dicisign] of all that is tacitly
taken for granted between the Graphist and Interpreter" (CP 4.552-553;
1906).  I understand its "capacity for adaptive growth of knowledge" to be
its "susceptibility of determination" (EP 2:545n25); i.e., its capability
for Habit-changes as Final Interpretants upon further determination by
additional Signs (learning by experience).


Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman
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On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 9:07 AM, Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> wrote:

> list - I have hesitated to get into this thread because I don't want to
> get into yet another interminable debate over terms - but - I do have a few
> concerns about the definition of a quasi-mind and of a perfect sign.
> 1] I understand a quasi-mind as emerging within a local semiosic
> interaction  between at least two if nor more agents - and it can most
> certainly be found in non-human and indeed, material agents.  As Peirce
> said, "Let a community of quasi-minds consist of the liquid in a number of
> bottle which are in intricate connexion by tubes filled with the liquid.
> this liquid is of complex and somewhat unstable mixed chemical composition.
> It also has to strong a cohesion and consequent surface-tension that the
> contents of each bottle take on a self-determined form'...EP; 392.
> That is - a quasi-mind, in my view, is the specific local mental action
> that emerges within the semiosic interaction- and since Mind functions in
> all material spheres, from the physic-chemical to the biological to the
> human conceptual - then, the quasi-mind must emerge in all these realms.
> So, I see the quasi-mind as the existential, local operation of Mind.
> 2] As for the 'perfect sign' - I see it as  one particular class of
> signs: a Rhematic Indexical Legisign - an individual interpretation of
> local stimuli as referenced to a general rule.
> This is, as Peirce points out in EP 545#25, a semiosic action that is rule
> based but NOT-static; i.e., has the capacity for adaptive growth of
> knowledge as a Legisign; it is 'perpetually being acted upon by its
> object' [that's the indexicality]; it brings 'fresh energy [that is its
> rhematic nature]
> Edwina
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