Diane, Steven, Jon:

I have tried, but I am not yet happy with these trichotomies concerning
time. However, should ordinary linear time sequencing rather than tenseless
earlier/later relations (so called B-series) be the pivot for their
conception, then, perhaps, actual indexicality (Secondness) and modality
(possible Firstness and possible Thirdness) should be paramount:

First:                  may be -now- this/that
Second              is -now- this/that
Third                would be -now/then- this/that

Best to you,
Eduardo Forastieri-Braschi

On 3/15/12 9:26 AM, "Jon Awbrey" <jawb...@att.net> wrote:

> Steven,
> I think the point about sequentiality is correct.
> Relations are ordered according to their arities or dimensions,
> and Peirce holds that three are enough to generate all others,
> but not all relations of constraint or determination, that is,
> information, are causal or temporal in nature, not even if we
> try to imagine some order of triadic causality or temporality.
> Attempting to understand the relational categories by setting out ordered
> lists
> of terms that are regarded as naming absolute, monadic, non-relational
> essences
> is a sign that our understanding has gone off track and fallen into yet
> another
> rut of reductionism.  I don't know what to call it -- absolutism? monadicism?
> non-relativism? -- but it's just as bad a form of reductionism as nominalism.
> Regards,
> Jon
> Steven Ericsson-Zenith wrote:
>> Dear Diane,
>> I agree with those that question whether Peirce would be comfortable using
>> notions of linear time, as Jon's quote highlights.
>> In the context of time conceptions (for me, time is simply a way of speaking)
>> I would prefer: 
>> 1st  = the immediate experience
>> 2nd = the accessible record
>> 3rd = the manifold of unity
>> In brief: immediacy, record, unification.
>> It would be important for me to observe that no sequential nature should be
>> read into the process suggested by these categories, they covary in what I
>> would call "the eternal moment." The conception of time is a product of the
>> unifying effect of what Peirce calls "thirdness."
>> With respect,
>> Steven
>> --
>> Dr. Steven Ericsson-Zenith
>> Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
>> http://iase.info
>> On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Diane Stephens wrote:
>>> In the book Semiotics I by Donald Thomas, he includes a chart which shows
>>> concepts associated with firsts, seconds and thirds.  For example, a first
>>> is quality, a second is fact and a third is law.  I understand all but
>>> second as past as in:
>>> First - present
>>> Second - past 
>>> Third - future 
>>> I would appreciate some help.
>>> Thanks.
>>> -- 
>>> Diane Stephens
>>> Swearingen Chair of Education
>>> Wardlaw 255
>>> College of Education
>>> University of South Carolina
>>> Columbia, SC 29208
>>> 803-777-0502
>>> Fax 803-777-3193 

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