This has all been enormously helpful. Thanks to all. Diane (and doc students in doc seminar on Peicean semiotics and reading)
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Jon Awbrey <jawb...@att.net> wrote: > Eduardo, > > Just going by the last excerpt I quoted, and with due consideration given > to > all the qualifications I noted about trying understand relational > categories > in non-relative terms, we might try to say something like the following as > a > first approximation: > > 1 • Present • What Is > 2 • Perfect • What Has Been > 3 • Future Participle (future as projected from the past and present) • > About To Be > > Ref. http://www.slu.edu/colleges/**AS/languages/classical/latin/** > tchmat/grammar/vb/00800%20v-%**20principal%20parts.pdf<http://www.slu.edu/colleges/AS/languages/classical/latin/tchmat/grammar/vb/00800%20v-%20principal%20parts.pdf> > > That at least begins to bring out some of the relational aspect of the > categories. > > Regards, > > Jon > > Eduardo Forastieri wrote: > >> Diane, Steven, Jon: >> >> I have tried, but I am not yet happy with these trichotomies concerning >> time. However, should ordinary linear time sequencing rather than >> tenseless >> earlier/later relations (so called B-series) be the pivot for their >> conception, then, perhaps, actual indexicality (Secondness) and modality >> (possible Firstness and possible Thirdness) should be paramount: >> >> First: may be -now- this/that >> Second is -now- this/that >> Third would be -now/then- this/that >> >> Best to you, >> Eduardo Forastieri-Braschi >> >> >> On 3/15/12 9:26 AM, "Jon Awbrey" <jawb...@att.net> wrote: >> >> Steven, >>> >>> I think the point about sequentiality is correct. >>> >>> Relations are ordered according to their arities or dimensions, >>> and Peirce holds that three are enough to generate all others, >>> but not all relations of constraint or determination, that is, >>> information, are causal or temporal in nature, not even if we >>> try to imagine some order of triadic causality or temporality. >>> >>> Attempting to understand the relational categories by setting out >>> ordered lists >>> of terms that are regarded as naming absolute, monadic, non-relational >>> essences >>> is a sign that our understanding has gone off track and fallen into yet >>> another >>> rut of reductionism. I don't know what to call it -- absolutism? >>> monadicism? >>> non-relativism? -- but it's just as bad a form of reductionism as >>> nominalism. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> Steven Ericsson-Zenith wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Diane, >>>> >>>> I agree with those that question whether Peirce would be comfortable >>>> using >>>> notions of linear time, as Jon's quote highlights. >>>> >>>> In the context of time conceptions (for me, time is simply a way of >>>> speaking) >>>> I would prefer: >>>> 1st = the immediate experience >>>> 2nd = the accessible record >>>> 3rd = the manifold of unity >>>> >>>> In brief: immediacy, record, unification. >>>> >>>> It would be important for me to observe that no sequential nature >>>> should be >>>> read into the process suggested by these categories, they covary in >>>> what I >>>> would call "the eternal moment." The conception of time is a product of >>>> the >>>> unifying effect of what Peirce calls "thirdness." >>>> >>>> With respect, >>>> Steven >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Steven Ericsson-Zenith >>>> Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering >>>> http://iase.info >>>> >>>> On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Diane Stephens wrote: >>>> >>>> In the book Semiotics I by Donald Thomas, he includes a chart which >>>>> shows >>>>> concepts associated with firsts, seconds and thirds. For example, a >>>>> first >>>>> is quality, a second is fact and a third is law. I understand all but >>>>> second as past as in: >>>>> >>>>> First - present >>>>> Second - past Third - future >>>>> I would appreciate some help. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Diane Stephens >>>>> Swearingen Chair of Education >>>>> Wardlaw 255 >>>>> College of Education >>>>> University of South Carolina >>>>> Columbia, SC 29208 >>>>> 803-777-0502 >>>>> Fax 803-777-3193 >>>>> >>>> > -- > > academia: > http://independent.academia.**edu/JonAwbrey<http://independent.academia.edu/JonAwbrey> > inquiry list: > http://stderr.org/pipermail/**inquiry/<http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/> > mwb: > http://www.mywikibiz.com/**Directory:Jon_Awbrey<http://www.mywikibiz.com/Directory:Jon_Awbrey> > oeiswiki: > http://www.oeis.org/wiki/User:**Jon_Awbrey<http://www.oeis.org/wiki/User:Jon_Awbrey> > word press blog 1: > http://jonawbrey.wordpress.**com/<http://jonawbrey.wordpress.com/> > word press blog 2: http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/ > > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------------- > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the PEIRCE-L > listserv. 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