I am really glad to see the words aesthetic and value in Elise's note. It is precisely in the area of values that I see Peirce and Nietzsche plowing new (thirds) ground. Where I have a real question and would probably amend Peirce is in relating ethics to aesthetics and thus value (or goodness if you wish) to a subordinate place. I think all firsts contain the possibility of altering what we hold to be good - of intrinsic value. I think all seconds represent the current stage of history. Hard reality. Thirds are the nudges implicit in the signs that history gets when we advance values a trice. For example the little welling up that led to the sit-ins in the 60s was a first. The recalcitrant status quo the second. Making a habit integrating public places was the third.
Peirce's note on seconds (Jon's post) is clearly an indication that secondness is mostly our reality while purposing (sic) thirdness is our attainment of greater community, our willing of an advance. I think philosophy has generally put ethics to the side and values into some nether world. Whereas I think goodness (values) dwell in the vagueness from which all signs arise. *ShortFormContent at Blogger* <http://shortformcontent.blogspot.com/> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Steven Ericsson-Zenith <ste...@iase.us>wrote: > Dear Diane, > > I agree with those that question whether Peirce would be comfortable using > notions of linear time, as Jon's quote highlights. > > In the context of time conceptions (for me, time is simply a way of > speaking) I would prefer: > > 1st = the immediate experience > 2nd = the accessible record > 3rd = the manifold of unity > > In brief: immediacy, record, unification. > > It would be important for me to observe that no sequential nature should > be read into the process suggested by these categories, they covary in what > I would call "the eternal moment." The conception of time is a product of > the unifying effect of what Peirce calls "thirdness." > > With respect, > Steven > > > -- > Dr. Steven Ericsson-Zenith > Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering > http://iase.info > > > > > > > > On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Diane Stephens wrote: > > > In the book Semiotics I by Donald Thomas, he includes a chart which > shows concepts associated with firsts, seconds and thirds. For example, a > first is quality, a second is fact and a third is law. I understand all > but second as past as in: > > > > First - present > > Second - past > > Third - future > > > > I would appreciate some help. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -- > > Diane Stephens > > Swearingen Chair of Education > > Wardlaw 255 > > College of Education > > University of South Carolina > > Columbia, SC 29208 > > 803-777-0502 > > Fax 803-777-3193 > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the > PEIRCE-L listserv. To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > lists...@listserv.iupui.edu with the line "SIGNOFF PEIRCE-L" in the body > of the message. To post a message to the list, send it to > PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the PEIRCE-L > listserv. To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > lists...@listserv.iupui.edu with the line "SIGNOFF PEIRCE-L" in the body > of the message. To post a message to the list, send it to > PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the PEIRCE-L listserv. To remove yourself from this list, send a message to lists...@listserv.iupui.edu with the line "SIGNOFF PEIRCE-L" in the body of the message. To post a message to the list, send it to PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
