A clarification: Marx expressed some reservations -- but general agreement -- with Hodgskin on the question of co-existing labour vs. the physicality of capital. I would suggest that Marx's equivocation may have been rhetorical, in that it is difficult to convince people that the physical objects -- the machinery -- are, in themselves, ineffectual. But here we ascend into "contradictions" and even contradictions that blow the logic of capital sky-high. Well, great Hegel's ghost, we don't need no contradictions. The fetishism of commodities is like the turtles on whose backs the world rests. It's fetishism all the way down.
What is a tractor without fuel and without a driver? A metal sculpture. On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Tom Walker <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, the "means of production." I would suggest that on this question it > would be prudent to go back a bit before Herr Marx to Mr. Hodgskin's > argument about co-existing labour. The "means of production" are not, in > fact, machines or raw materials but the simultaneous labour of other > workers. If one follows Marx through all the convolutions of the fetishism > of commodities, I think one will arrive back at a perhaps more subtle > interpretation of Hodgskin's co-existing labour, but one whose subtlety > makes it too FUCKING easy to reduce to a vulgar materialist "substance". > Marx equivocated on this point, so either reading is plausible. > > But just because Marx equivocated, doesn't mean that we have to. > > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:05 PM, <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> If you define class struggle as struggle for control of >> means of production, the environmental movement is a kind of >> class struggle. It is the struggle for control over and >> benefit from the earth's natural resources, which are means >> of production. > > > -- > Cheers, > > Tom Walker (Sandwichman) > -- Cheers, Tom Walker (Sandwichman)
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