Hannes, if we have not solved all the problems such a workshop(*) would
address by December, I would certainly support a workshop in something like
the London IETF timeframe :-)

Spencer

(*) and this is not the first time I've said something snarky and then
supported a workshop you've proposed, either!

On Tuesday, September 10, 2013, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:

> I suggested within the IAB to do a workshop* (before the meeting), which
> would give us an extra day of intense discussion time. Unfortunately, it is
> a bit close to the next meeting (which  complicates travel planning) and
> some folks have booked their trip already...
>
> Despite all the discussions I fear that a BOF slot will make it very
> difficult to discuss such a broad topic and to make some progress.
>
> Ciao
> Hannes
>
> (*): I know that it is not the first time I have suggested a workshop.
>
> On 10.09.2013 21:03, Scott Brim wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Peter Saint-Andre<[email protected]>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> We'll want to use the high-bandwidth time wisely, and we know that
>>> security-related discussions (well, all discussions) can easily go off
>>> track. Staying focused on the core issues, and on problems that might
>>> have engineering solutions, will be paramount.
>>>
>>
>> This is a scope question.  How do we decide what to focus on?  I
>> suggest that we start by saying it's not security, and it's not
>> surveillance, it's privacy, i.e. the ability to control the flow of
>> one's personal information (there's your definition, Dave).  Security
>> is too large a scope, while surveillance is too small.
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