Dave, there’s been some useful and grown-up discussion going on around here. I don’t think you’re trying to derail it, but you risk having that effect. I think it would be better to ease off and see where it leads us, because I’ve read some smart and enlightening things.
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Dave Crocker <[email protected]> wrote: > > "privacy properties of IETF protocols and concrete ways in which >>> those could be improved." >>> >> >> to repeat my statement from berlin, privacy by default. and as many >> places as we can enable it. >> > > > If we -- the IETF community -- had a definition of privacy, that would > help, but we don't. > > If we knew what it meant to 'enable privacy' (nevermind whether by > default), that would also help, but we don't. > > So the idea of 'privacy by default' well could serve as a useful > catch-phrase, but at the moment, it lacks technical substance. We have no > shared, technical understanding of its meaning. > > No doubt you have particulars in mind. No doubt lots of folks have their > own set of particulars. Unfortunately each person's particulars tends to > be different. > > So what we lack are a) anything like a specific technical meaning for > privacy, b) any system-level sense of what it means to provide privacy, or > c) any prioritization of privacy issues so that we can get the most benefit > from initial efforts. > > My question was meant to prompt discussion at a technical level. There > have been the tiniest wisps of comment on the list that might provide > touchstones for this, but they haven't been pursued. We need to pursue > them. > > Catch-phrases will be useful to summarize the results. > > d/ > > > -- > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > perpass mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/perpass<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/perpass> >
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