On Jan 23, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Mark Kirkwood wrote:

Theo Schlossnagle wrote:
On Jan 23, 2007, at 4:33 PM, David Fetter wrote:
On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 11:52:08AM -0200, Iannsp wrote:
I did like to know what you think about the postgresql
certifications provided for

PostgreSQL CE http://www.sraoss.co.jp/postgresql-ce/news_en.html

CertFirst http://www.certfirst.com/postgreSql.htm

My question is about the validate of this certification for the
clients.  Make difference to be certified?

Clueful clients will look unfavorably on any "PostgreSQL
certification" you have.  They will instead insist on experience and
references, as clueful clients do. :)
I don't believe that's true. Oracle certification means quite a bit. Cisco certification is excellent. Sun certification is decent. If the PostgreSQL certifications don't mean much it is a problem with the particular vendor of the certificate and you (as a PostgreSQL entity) should contest their right to use PostgreSQL name in their advertising or marketing. Certification programs can and should mean something.

Certification is ok - but is only of actual value when combined with real experience. The reason I say this is that certification programs in general can be beaten by various techniques (e.g. friends, online research, guessing etc). Also over time they are rendered (almost) useless by the (lucrative) side businesses that come into being (e.g. 'boot camps', mock exams etc).

Get a CCIE and tell me that again :-) When you are handed a complicated network of routers and switches running all sorts of version of IOS and CatOS and you go to lunch, they break it and you have a certain time allotment to fix it all.

Most certifications are not simple multiple choice quizes. Just the ones you hear about -- the ones that suck.

I think seeing relevant training courses + experience on a CV trumps certification anytime - unfortunately a lot of folks out there are mesmerized by shiny certificates....

Sure. But experience is very hard to get. And since people with PostgreSQL experience are limited, companies adopting it need a good second option -- certified people.

// Theo Schlossnagle
// CTO -- http://www.omniti.com/~jesus/
// OmniTI Computer Consulting, Inc. -- http://www.omniti.com/

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