Hi, > On Jun 8, 2016, at 2:04 AM, Ben Coman <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 5:39 AM, Tudor Girba <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Sven, >> >> If I understand correctly, Stef talks about the case of building tests in >> the debugger. There he tries an expression and then wants to capture the >> result of the expression as an assertion in the code so he wants to paste >> the result directly. It is a different scenario than the one of capturing >> results that we store as comments for further reference. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> The #printString of most objects is not valid Pharo syntax, it makes sense >>> to put those into comments, so that the overall syntax of the >>> workspace/playground is maintained and syntax highlighting can operate >>> normally. > > This might be too much a corner case, but I wonder... > If the domain object provided a sufficiently distinguishing > printString, then a shortcut that appended the CTRL-P result.... > printString = 'aDomainObject(''identifer’')
I cannot quite picture what you mean. Could you elaborate. It sounds intriguing? > to the selected text might provide an interesting workflow for > developing tests in the debugger. > Maybe it could be CTRL-P + CTRL-T (for test) ? I proposed Cmd+p Cmd+v (from paste). Cheers, Doru > A video demo of such might provide a good example of programming in an > immersive environment. What other environment could do this? > cheers -ben > > > > > >>> >>> A result printed as a comment is also easy to select (by double-clicking >>> next to the $" on the inside). >>> >>> All this makes sense for literal programming (assuming that is what you are >>> after). >>> >>> What is the use case for not doing it like that ? Why do you want the >>> comments gone ? >>> >>>> On 07 Jun 2016, at 13:03, Ben Coman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:09 PM, stepharo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Le 5/6/16 à 23:00, Tudor Girba a écrit : >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Stef, >>>>>> >>>>>> The quotes appear only when you add the result in the playground. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No need to explain I'm not idiot and I know it. >>>>>> >>>>>> The typical use case for this is to keep track of several results. >>>>> >>>>> No need to explain I'm not idiot and I know it. >>>>>> >>>>>> In this situation you do not want to modify the code to not affect the >>>>>> highlighting and this is why it gets in a comment. >>>>> >>>>> This is fun because I never ever needed it. But this is probably what >>>>> everybody else is doing that since this is the default. >>>>> I just write simple code and tests. Indeed I'm not that smart. >>>>> >>>>> But your tools only embedd your scenario and let the other users forced to >>>>> adapt. >>>>> >>>>> Well you do not want but I do. >>>>> I spent my evening removing quotes while writing tests. >>>>> >>>>> What I hate with the GTTools is that you want to teach me how I should >>>>> work. >>>>> Sorry but good tools do not do that. >>>>> Good tools empower the users and not constraint them. >>>>> >>>>> I work a lot faster when I do not have to remove the wonderful comments or >>>>> when I have to copy and paste. >>>>> This commenting is breaking the flow of efficient people. May be GT team >>>>> do >>>>> not work write tests in the >>>>> debugger but I do most of the time and I'm forced by the environment to >>>>> remove quotes all over the places. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want to copy the content without quotes, you can do: >>>>>> Cmd+p -> popup >>>>>> Cmd+c -> selects the current line and copies the text >>>>>> Esc >>>>>> Cmd+v >>>>> >>>>> Sorry but I do not want. >>>>> I just want to print and modify directly. >>>>> 7 keystrokes vs 2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps we can add another keybinding like Shift+Enter for adding the >>>>>> text >>>>>> without quotes. >>>> >>>> I just had a play with this, and another option might be <ctrl-enter>, >>>> since the <ctrl> key is still selection from doing <ctrl-P> so there >>>> is not much difference in hand movements between <enter> and >>>> <ctrl-enter> >>>> >>>> cheers -ben >>>> >>>>> >>>>> And why not the inverse. >>>>> By default printing is printing and if you want to do something else then >>>>> you have a special binding. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Now I'm upset with this general attitude (Oh I will teach how you can be a >>>>> nice user) that I will turn them off >>>>> or go and hack my own settings. Still I'm amazingly sad about this state >>>>> of >>>>> affair. >>>>> All these story about GT is hurting me because of this attitude: we are so >>>>> smart and we thought a lot and we will teach you >>>>> how you should work... and at the end I the end-user has to adapt. >>>>> Look at the Spotter discussions: you looked for the graal and I was just >>>>> telling to you that I cannot find >>>>> simple information such as class refs! >>>>> >>>>> So what saddens me the most is that >>>>> - you pretend to have end-user trying your tools but I have impression >>>>> that they are not real power users >>>>> or this is yourself and it means that you are never exposed to other >>>>> people. >>>>> I can still not use Spotter because the way I put my hand on my >>>>> keyboard. So should change >>>>> - 1 my hands >>>>> - 2 my brain >>>>> - 3 my keyboard >>>>> - 4 do not use the tools? >>>>> - funnily enough if I would not have complain aggressively then it looks >>>>> like we would have the same than before. >>>>> >>>>> Your flow is not mine and I go faster my way but your tools force me to >>>>> get >>>>> slow. >>>>> I do not have the time to produce a video but I would even if it would >>>>> give >>>>> a bad press to Pharo. >>>>> I will do a presentation in the rmod team. Because people do not watch >>>>> themselves why acting. >>>>> >>>>> Good tools empower the users not constraint them. >>>>> >>>>> GTTools feel often like an overengineer guitar that would have hampered >>>>> Jimmy Hendrix to do crazy solos. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Doru >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 10:20 PM, stepharo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to know if there is a setting to remove the "" when >>>>>>> printing >>>>>>> the result of an expression. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know that playground has been thought to help me, but today I watched >>>>>>> myself removing the comments >>>>>>> >>>>>>> code so often that I would like to get a setting because such wrapping >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> results is really boring for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm spending my time removing them and I start to wonder why they are >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> useful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would help me to write fast tests for example in the debugger. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>> www.feenk.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "What we can governs what we wish." >>> >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "It's not what we do that matters most, it's how we do it." >> >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "If you interrupt the barber while he is cutting your hair, you will end up with a messy haircut."
