https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19818/Support-for-Airplane-mode-in-Pharo for keeping track of this
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Ben Coman <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 6:35 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> > wrote: > > This is not only when teaching. > > > > I was at a conference today and showcased some Grafoscopio. > > > > Spotty wifi and crowded bandwith makes it bad looking. > > > > We need an "Airplane mode" switch. > > That is a cool way to describe it. A well know paradigm. > Its a setting that probably would change daya to day more than any other, > so perhaps it would even be reasonable to have this as a permanent > mode button on the background, > or the task bar much like MS Windows taskbar status icons. > > cheers -ben > > > > > Maybe can we have that available in the session from the settings. > > > > Phil > > > > On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:55 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> The problem is that there are people who give lectures in universities > >> with bad internet (internet is bad in most of the universities I tried) > and > >> they done want freezes. On the other hand we have people who sit in > their > >> offices with fast machines, fast internet and they want features. Until > now > >> we were looking at how to satisfy one of the groups and which one > exactly. > >> Why not to try finding a solution for both. For example we can have the > >> plugging enabled by default and have Spotter measuring the time needed > to do > >> a query. Whenever the time surpasses frustration limit (10 sec? I duno) > >> Spotter will ask if the user wants to turn off the plugin, of turns it > of > >> automatically and tells where to re-enable it. The other way would be to > >> have known plugins to appear at the bottom of Spotter, and a user can > >> install/enable them with one click. So when you search but there is > nothing > >> you know that there are more plugins that may solve your problem. > >> > >> Yes it is more complicated to implement in in a smart way rather them > just > >> set the default boolean value of a setting, but we spend too much time > >> anyway convincing the other side that we are right… > >> > >> Uko > >> > >> > On 6 Mar 2017, at 21:30, stepharong <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > One day I would like to invite you to give a lecture in a not that bad > >> > french university > >> > with a not that good network. Each time Pharo freezes you pay me 5 > Euros > >> > only and we can > >> > go and pay some really expensive restaurant with your money. > >> > Simple on my machine it times out every five minutes. > >> > > >> > <sorry I could not resist> > >> > > >> >> > >> >>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 19:51, stepharong <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> We should make it available from the catalog :) > >> >> > >> >> Yes, it most certainly should be. > >> >> > >> >> If only we could then tell user to type > >> >> > >> >> Shift-Enter Sublimish Enter > >> >> > >> >> to install it using Spotter right from the catalog ;-) > >> >> > >> >> Sorry, I couldn't resist ... <ducking> > >> >> > >> >>> 2017-03-06 9:29 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <[email protected]>: > >> >>> > >> >>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 09:22, Pavel Krivanek <[email protected]> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> 2017-03-06 8:20 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <[email protected]>: > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 07:57, [email protected] wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-6.0-Issue-Validator- > simple/7294/artifact/report.html > >> >>>>> is not integrated for some Monkey reason anyway - still should > b/c if you > >> >>>>> put sublimish, you need a decent matching Spotter. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Also, I see > >> >>>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19796/Remove-duplicate- > code-from-SublimishTheme > >> >>>>> on 5/3. If this moves forward, why not the other one? > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> BTW Sublimish was an extra thing. Who got that in image? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I don’t know. > >> >>>> It shouldn’t :) > >> >>>> > >> >>>> What we should do is to create a page for themes and links to it > (and > >> >>>> they should be in catalog) :) > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Well, it was me who proposed the slice and yes, I was aware of the > >> >>>> fact that I should not do it because of code freeze (I was not > aware of the > >> >>>> two themes policy). > >> >>> > >> >>> it is not a policy, it is just the idea I have :) > >> >>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> We can remove it again, I will prepare a slice. > >> >>> > >> >>> problem with it is that is makes ripples. > >> >>> If community want it (is nice), we can include it, but I would wait > >> >>> for P7, yes. > >> >>> > >> >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19801/Remove-SublimishTheme > >> >>> At least it was an advertisement for this theme that moved it > forward > >> >>> and the integration of it helped to improve the dark theme too. And > showed > >> >>> again how much we need the concept of palettes used strictly in the > system. > >> >>> > >> >>> -- Pavel > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Esteban > >> >>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- Pavel > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Esteban > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Phil > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Esteban Lorenzano > >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 07:17, Esteban Lorenzano <[email protected]> > >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Hi, > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> First, let me be clear: I *like* sublimish theme (not for my use, > >> >>>>>> but I like it), and I like (a lot) the windows list on spotter, > and I like > >> >>>>>> in general all this new additions. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> By the way, even if I like it, I would not have integrated > >> >>>>> SublimishTheme. For same reason I didn’t integrated > DarkMetalTheme: My idea > >> >>>>> is to have just two themes *in image*: one white, one dark, and > allow people > >> >>>>> to install other themes from catalog. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Why? Because each class inside image becomes our responsibility > and > >> >>>>> then a maintainability issue. With themes in particular already > happened > >> >>>>> that existing themes became abandonware inside the image and we > needed to > >> >>>>> clean up, not without problems. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> cheers, > >> >>>>> Esteban > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> ps: which means also yes: that issue got integrated because I > failed > >> >>>>> to control the flow of issues... > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> And I know, most of those additions are usability enhancements > so a > >> >>>>>> good thing. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> But can you guys stop pushing new features into a (in theory) > >> >>>>>> frozen version? > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Pharo 7 will arrive soon… *if* we can fix all things missing. If > I > >> >>>>>> can suggest an orientation, it would be good, for those that use > linux and > >> >>>>>> mac (windows is not ready), to test and help fix 64bits version. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> There are still plenty of bugs to fix there, like for example why > >> >>>>>> Spotter does not shows search line. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Last week I added support to Athens and SDL2 in 64bits but that > >> >>>>>> meant: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> - some important changes in UFFI > >> >>>>>> - discover something that seems is failing on callbacks for Cairo > >> >>>>>> (no idea if it is a callbacks problem or an image problem that > causes a > >> >>>>>> callback problem). > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> I would say all this and the fact we are working on 64bits in > >> >>>>>> general deserves a lot of testing. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> I will add links in Pharo page to download 64bits (I’m at the > train > >> >>>>>> now), but in the mean time you can download all from here: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip > >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip > >> >>>>>> (linux) > >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip (mac) > >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip (in case you > need > >> >>>>>> them) > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> cheers, > >> >>>>>> Esteban > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > >> > > >> > >> > > > >
