On Dec 31, 2010, at 2:33 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Em 30/12/2010 19:56, Stéphane Ducasse < [email protected] > escreveu:
>
>> Hi guys
>> I think that over the years I (but also many of you, I know) tried
>> to expose newbies to smalltalk or our culture. And often we get bad
>> reactions, bad windows, bad colors, slow, why not in svn, ..... I
>
> Those specific reactions are more likely to be about Squeak of Pharo
> than Smalltalk in general, isn't?
why do you think that VW UI is appealing or that the class creation in VW is
trivial?
>> think that showing Smalltalk to newbies is the best we can do to
>> ourselves, not really to attract new people but also to get a large
>> kick in the %^&* because most of the time students are not stupid,
>> they are exposed to other technos.
>
> Yes. They make an excellent litmus test without the risks of expending
> lots of money in the 'launching of product' which can become an Edsel
> of the programming languages...
>
>> So each time we believe we want
>> to show them something cool and they do not really consider it as
>> cool as we believe, we can of course think that they are idiot (some
>> of them are) but most of the time we can also think that may be we
>> stayed too long in our little boxes and the world moved (interfaced
>> well with c, fast, cool frameworks, has cool tools, processes
>> (integration...), cool UIs, web stuff.....).
>
> Indeed.
>
>> So each time we get
>> down because we do not see the little flame opening in the yes of
>> the others we can think hard and get from them what we missed.
>
> I believe this is the first step to get the best direction to follow.
Not automatically this is not because people think that A is needed that it is
needed
but this is a good reality check.
>> I really happy to get exposed to student acid tests, this is a
>> valuable feedback and I wanted to share that with you.
>
> Stef, now comes the rub: do you think it is possible to systematize
> the lessons learned and post a summary for us here?
Not really I do not record them but
- headless
- good ui
- not 20 tools to do the same but different
- github/make to build the vm
- decent integration tools
- not spaghetti code (you know Morph with just 800 methods show up like
a ugly class in Quality lectures)
- ...
>
> Perhaps we should open a specific Wiki page on this?
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Cesar Rabak
>
