On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[email protected] > wrote:
> > On Dec 31, 2010, at 2:33 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Em 30/12/2010 19:56, Stéphane Ducasse < [email protected] > > escreveu: > > > >> Hi guys > >> I think that over the years I (but also many of you, I know) tried > >> to expose newbies to smalltalk or our culture. And often we get bad > >> reactions, bad windows, bad colors, slow, why not in svn, ..... I > > > > Those specific reactions are more likely to be about Squeak of Pharo > > than Smalltalk in general, isn't? > > why do you think that VW UI is appealing or that the class creation in VW > is trivial? > I am not sure if appealing, but more "normal" for sure. I don't say better. I just want to say that VW is more similar to IDEs from others lanaguages than what Squeak/Pharo is. > > >> think that showing Smalltalk to newbies is the best we can do to > >> ourselves, not really to attract new people but also to get a large > >> kick in the %^&* because most of the time students are not stupid, > >> they are exposed to other technos. > > > > Yes. They make an excellent litmus test without the risks of expending > > lots of money in the 'launching of product' which can become an Edsel > > of the programming languages... > > > >> So each time we believe we want > >> to show them something cool and they do not really consider it as > >> cool as we believe, we can of course think that they are idiot (some > >> of them are) but most of the time we can also think that may be we > >> stayed too long in our little boxes and the world moved (interfaced > >> well with c, fast, cool frameworks, has cool tools, processes > >> (integration...), cool UIs, web stuff.....). > > > > Indeed. > > > >> So each time we get > >> down because we do not see the little flame opening in the yes of > >> the others we can think hard and get from them what we missed. > > > > I believe this is the first step to get the best direction to follow. > > Not automatically this is not because people think that A is needed that it > is needed > but this is a good reality check. > > >> I really happy to get exposed to student acid tests, this is a > >> valuable feedback and I wanted to share that with you. > > > > Stef, now comes the rub: do you think it is possible to systematize > > the lessons learned and post a summary for us here? > > > Not really I do not record them but > - headless > - good ui > - not 20 tools to do the same but different > - github/make to build the vm > - decent integration tools > - not spaghetti code (you know Morph with just 800 methods show up > like a ugly class in Quality lectures) > - ... > > > > > Perhaps we should open a specific Wiki page on this? > > > > Regards, > > > > -- > > Cesar Rabak > > > > >
