My point was not about pharo against squeak. I'm not at the microscopic level.... I'm just thinking that remembering when is the last we were bold and face a complete room to students knowing Java, ruby.... is a good way to get feedback on what we believe is cool.
Stef > Stef, > > I approve<g>, provided you promise to keep it in perspective. If you are > getting another layer of expectation of how computers work, then great. If > you are allowing people with no image-based experience to discourage you, > then please try to categorize their reactions into things that they will > outgrow and things that we probably should address - there will be some of > each. > > It might be informative to split a small group of newcomers, give half of > them Squeak 3.8 or something, and half of them the current Pharo. It's an > interesting thought experiment at least, and hopefully it illuminates the > massive progress in Pharo. > > On the minute front, I think that fast dragging should be enabled by default; > Watery users appear to have it regardless of the setting. Overall, the GUI > is getting pretty good. Eventually Pharo's dependence on "the" world menu > will become problematic. I don't know that we need native windows nearly as > much as we could benefit from the discipline they would force on us. It > would be nice to be able to use one native shell per tool, but having > everything in one main window can be useful too. > > Silent failures need to be hunted down and killed. It sounds like good FFI > enhancements are on the way. Pharo probably could be faster. > > Bill > > > > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected] > [[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse > [[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:56 PM > To: Pharo Development > Subject: [Pharo-project] realized and learned something today :) > > Hi guys > > I think that over the years I (but also many of you, I know) tried to expose > newbies to smalltalk or our culture. > And often we get bad reactions, bad windows, bad colors, slow, why not in > svn, ..... > I think that showing Smalltalk to newbies is the best we can do to ourselves, > not really to attract new people > but also to get a large kick in the %^&* because most of the time students > are not stupid, they are exposed to > other technos. So each time we believe we want to show them something cool > and they do not really > consider it as cool as we believe, we can of course think that they are idiot > (some of them are) but > most of the time we can also think that may be we stayed too long in our > little boxes and the world > moved (interfaced well with c, fast, cool frameworks, has cool tools, > processes (integration...), cool UIs, web stuff.....). > So each time we get down because we do not see the little flame opening in > the yes of the others > we can think hard and get from them what we missed. > > I really happy to get exposed to student acid tests, this is a valuable > feedback and I wanted to share that with you. > > Stef >
