On the whole, the new code is pretty good. There was one thing that troubled me, though: "even outside of Pharo's public communication channels." What business is it of the Pharo Board what anyone says in any other community? I've heard too many cases where A says something to B and C complains about it as harassment when B didn't mind. I have personally known people *affectionately* address each other in terms that most would consider a deadly insult.
My behaviour in all digital media is subject to the Harmful Digital Communications Act 2015. See http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2015/0063/latest/whole.html which extends the Harassment Act 1997. See http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1997/0092/latest/whole.html for a definition of harassment. If I harass anyone according to these Acts, they have a legal remedy. I understand the the UK and the EU have similar laws. So I don't understand why the Pharo Board want to extend their reach. On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 07:21, Esteban Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I’m talking on behalf of the Pharo Board here. > As start, we accepted Serge’s proposition without actually discussing it > much because we didn’t think it was going to be really a problem. Our > community has been self-regulating since the beginning and we were doing it > fine until now. Once or twice we (the board) needed to act, but never had a > real situation as the ones the CoC tries to cover. > So, we can say we opened the umbrella without rain, just in case. > > Now, after observe the situation, we have decided to retract the code. But > sadly, we cannot just remove it and let things continue as before because > as it’s know “it you open a can or worms, you will need a bigger can to put > them back in”. Which means now we need a code of conduct. > > So we are going to take the simplest one we could find that still can > serve our community, you can see it here: > > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4660 > > This PR will be accepted, but as anything in our community, you can still > discuss it and propose modifications. > Just remember be respectful of people disagreeing with your ideas :) > > Cheers, > Esteban > > PS: As personal note: I blocked a github user that insulted a member of > our community, a user who did not had history with us (or any other visible > project), who did not had a name or ways to contact him so I assumed it was > just another troll. Now, he identifies himself here... I will unblock him, > but that does not means the kind of disrespectful messages he sent can be > sent :) > > > On 19 Sep 2019, at 19:47, Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com> wrote: > > makes me wonder whether he's such a machiavellian sociopath, or a useful > idiot. > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 23:07, Eugen Leitl via Pharo-users < > pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote: > >> Let's see, I've posted one email to this list describing the dangers >> of abusing CoCs > > > I guess you refer to this one... > > On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 19:39, Eugen Leitl via Pharo-users < > pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > I agree. Technical people are too easy to exploit by malignant > manipulators of people. > > All too often they don't even realize it after the fact. > > Thats fairly benign and doubt it had anything to do with being blocked on > github. > > > >> and one post to GitHub describing the motivations of >> people who introduce CoCs, and immediately get banned on GitHub from >> > > Note, the board member who blocked your GIthub account and deleted your > post there > also voiced their opinion as being... > For me a "welcome and be nice" should be enough to just continue as > before. > I find the introduction of CoC was a noise we didn't need, > our community was doing well and self-regulated without problem until > now. > > So in spite of your implication, I doubt there is anything sinister from > the CoC in play here. > Comments such as "makes me wonder whether he's such a machiavellian > sociopath, or a useful idiot." > have been consistently condemned years before thought of a CoC. > > > >> I'm getting called a troll and a nobody in public by members of the >> project, > > > Its not that you are a "nobody", but actually you were "unknown to us" two > days ago. > Maybe you don't know Serge, but we've know him for years and his good work > including governance of our GSoC participation > so please consider why such comments from a newcomer may be dealt with as > a troll. > Community standards do not maintain themselves: They're maintained by > people actively applying them, visibly, in public. > > Now personally I'm not going to condemn you on one slip. > I've been told to pull my head in before and they were right - I was > venting after a bad day at work. But no one held it against me long. > These nontechnical and emotion-charge debates are infrequent and I hope > get a chance to see how things normally run once we are past it. > > cheers -ben > > >
