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This is the New York Times Death Notice that includes Ada Jones. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information > Was all of that paperwork required at the time of her death, or just a > death certificate? And the death certificate only required in New York or > by the railroad? > > Remember, the world was not overrun by bureaucratic auditors back then. > > I could be wrong but I would bet that the people in North Carolina of the > time could tell if you were dead of natural causes and needed to be buried > without several pieces of paper. > > BruceY wrote: >> Ok, this detailed information about the circumstances concerning her >> death seems to confirm that the Death Certificate was hurriedly prepared >> in order to expedite the shipping of the her body back to New York!! (you >> must have a completed Death Certificate in order to obtain a >> Burial/Removal from State permit!!)So this fellow Armstrong, whoever he >> was, provided what little information he knew about Ada. Obviously no >> attempt was ever made by her family, to ever correct the erroneous >> information appearing on the original document, for what ever reason no >> one will ever know. The original Death Certificate along with a burial >> permit would have accompanied the body back to New York, been received by >> the local Funeral Director handling Funeral, and then the Death >> Certificate presented to the next of Kin, presumably her husband. >> Eventually the original Death Certificate, in this case the one prepared >> in North Carolina, finds it way back to the home city or Town of the >> deceased so additional certified copies can be accessed from there as >> well. >> >> Bruce >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Burwell" >> <[email protected]> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information >> >> >>> I googled Ada Jones and found an interesting site >>> www.gracyk.com/ada.shtml Check it out. It's pretty interesting. Jackie >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information >>> >>> >>>> Before the government programs, your birthday and date of death did not >>>> make a lot of difference. As neither one served much real tangible >>>> purpose to you, or anyone else. >>>> >>>> Douglas Houston wrote: >>>>> All of this makes me wonder if vital statistics were reliably accurate >>>>> in >>>>> the days that Ada Jones was born; in England, or even in this country. >>>>> For >>>>> instance, my father was born in a little burg in Tennessee, north of >>>>> Chattanooga. When he was 72, he wanted to apply for Social Security. >>>>> He >>>>> contacted the Hamilton County records, and they showed him as being >>>>> 70, >>>>> rather than 72. He had to contact relatives, still living in the >>>>> little >>>>> town of Soddy, where he was born, and have them swear out an >>>>> affadavit, >>>>> attesting to his accurate age. Later, in discussions with the kinfolk >>>>> there, it was speculated that the error was attributed to the census >>>>> taker, >>>>> stopping at one of the houses on the street and simply taking down >>>>> dates >>>>> that a neighbor blurted out from memory, which was not very accurate. >>>>> That >>>>> saved the census taker time and trudging the dirt streets of the town. >>>>> In >>>>> that day, who'da thunk that it would ever matter? >>>>>> [Original Message] >>>>>> From: BruceY <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: 4/12/2008 8:47:58 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information >>>>>> >>>>>> Still trying to pin down Ada's actually birth date via some sort of >>>>> bonifide >>>>>> document. All the biographies give her birth year as 1873 which would >>>>> make >>>>>> her 47 at some point in 1920 not age 44, and her death certificate >>>>>> gives >>>>> an >>>>>> incorrect age of 40, couldn't someone at the time poor Ada passed at >>>>> least >>>>>> make an effort to call or wire someone to obtain the correct >>>>>> information >>>>> for >>>>>> her Death Certificate?!! and who gave the information to the Census >>>>> Taker?? >>>>>> Seems he not only had her age wrong but the spelling of her last name >>>>> wrong >>>>>> as well? >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruce >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne holznagel" >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:36 PM >>>>>> Subject: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I believe I may have the right person . . . >>>>>>> The 1920 census shows Hugh, Ada, & Sheelah (it's hard to read the >>>>>>> spelling of this name). They lived at Huntington, Suffolk, New >>>>>>> York. According to this record: >>>>>>> Hugh's age was 39. He arrived in the US in 1886. He became a >>>>>>> naturalized citizen in 1917. He came from England. Occupation was >>>>>>> theatrical. >>>>>>> Ada's age was 44. She arrived in the US in 1880. She became a >>>>>>> naturalized citizen in 1917. She came from England. Occupation was >>>>>>> singer. >>>>>>> Sheelah's age was 13. Was was listed as "daughter". The census >>>>>>> information indicates she was born in England. >>>>>>> If anyone is linked into one of the major genealogical web sites >>>>>>> you >>>>> can >>>>>>> obtain copies of the original information. That would include, in >>>>>>> many cases, copies of passenger lists, census information, probate >>>>>>> records, etc. I've been researching my extensive family history >>>>>>> and, believe >>>>> me, >>>>>>> it's there if a person wants to look. I like ancestory.com but >>>>>>> there >>>>> are >>>>>>> other sites that provide good information. >>>>>>> Just some information for the good of the cause. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <:)> >>>>>>> Wayne H >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
