Hello Bruce,
The serial numbers are hand stamped so the number size can vary. The lettering
on the reproducers was machine stamped. Edison is the king of variety so I
would love photos of your M and the serial number. I send you three e-mails
with photos, let me know if you got them.
The earliest M I know of has the flat K type weight with the serial number on
the sound tube. The L and M share serial numbers, the L started off the
series, the M joined in then dropped out and the L finished. The final L has
the stylus bar held in with a pin not a screw. It was 10381, it was owned by
Bill Floyd who was very nice about sending me photos. I wonder who would up
with his collection?
Steve
> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:24:01 +0000
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number &
> M Reproducer Serial Number)
>
> Thanks for the Information Steve. The Serial Number on the Diamond B is
> 21708. Also since you are the official guru of Serial Number details, the
> serial number on the M Reproducer
> on my Amberola 1A is 3810. Curiously the number 38 is much smaller than the
> 10, like they may have been put on at two different time periods. This M is
> the earlier style with the round
> weight.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Steven Medved" <[email protected]>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:27:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers
>
> Hello Bruce,
>
> I estimate that less than 2,000 of the N-56 reproducers were made. They were
> optional for the V and VI's made before the fire when the regular N was found
> not to work. They were obsolete reproducers made to play wax Amberols. Edison
> still made and sold wax records until the fire although no new 2 minute
> titles were made after Sept 1912. He was puzzled at what to do about this
> until the fire did it for him. Wax records were easy to make and very
> profitable.
>
> The two hardest to find N reproducers are the trowel weight and the N-56. The
> N-56 was made from June 1913 to the fire of 1914. The trowel weight N came
> out around the time the trowel weight O did and does not have the lift pillar
> for the Amberola 5 and 6 lift lever as those machines were not yet made.
>
> When the R and S reproducers were no longer made Edison used the tops stamped
> with R and S serial numbers to make N-56 reproducers, thus the N-56 is found
> with R&S and O&N serial numbers.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:00:14 +0000
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > No, I don't have and N-56 for it to play the earlier wax amberolas. Those
> > must be very uncommon. I will get you the serial number for the Diamond B
> > though.
> >
> > Thanks for the reply,
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: "Steven Medved" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:52:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers
> >
> > Hello Bruce,
> >
> > What is the serial number of the reproducer on your machine and do you have
> > a N-56 for it?
> >
> > I am trying to get an idea of serial numbers of the Diamond B reproducers
> > from 1914.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:47:54 +0000
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers
> > >
> > > Do you have the same information on the Amberola V ? Mine is serial
> > > number 845 .
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > From: "Andrew Baron" <[email protected]>
> > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:04:08 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers
> > >
> > > Thanks Al for these serial numbers. It's great to be able to put my
> > > Amberola 50 in context of the total production, not only of its own
> > > model, but of the series as a whole.
> > >
> > > Andrew Baron
> > >
> > > On Aug 25, 2013, at 12:14 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The highest Amberola 30 I recorded is just below 344000. The highest
> > > > Amberola 50 I have recorded is just over 43000. The highest Amberola 75
> > > > in my data mine is just over 21000. So, Steve Medved's reproducer
> > > > number is in the ballpark for production figures...
> > > > Regards to all,
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andrew Baron <[email protected]>
> > > > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:49 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Steve ~ Do you have a sense of whether my nickel Diamond C
> > > > reproducer 48233
> > > > would be original to my Amberola 50 Serial #5662? Also, any idea when
> > > > the
> > > > Diamond C went from nickel to black paint (year and serial number, more
> > > > or
> > > > less)?
> > > >
> > > > At a glance it seems the serial number of my Diamond C is way too high
> > > > for my
> > > > machine unless one factors in the greater number of Amberola 30's being
> > > > produced. Still seems like a high reproducer number for the 4-digit
> > > > machine
> > > > serial number, but I'd like to get your opinion. This Amberola 50 is
> > > > otherwise
> > > > one of the best-preserved I've seen, decent and original outside, mint
> > > > under the
> > > > lid, very quiet and smooth "low mile" motor, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Baron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Aug 24, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Steven Medved wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> It is a fairly low serial number, I worked on Amberola 30 number 137.
> > > >> My 50
> > > > is SM - - - 7488. I believe the 30 50 and 75 all had their own serial
> > > > numbers
> > > > as 137 had reproducer serial number 307 on it. SM is spring motor and
> > > > number
> > > > 137 did not have that on the ID plate.
> > > >>
> > > >> I believe just under 310,000 of the 30 50 and 75, 60, and 80's were
> > > >> made as I
> > > > have not seen a Diamond D reproducer over 310,000.
> > > >>
> > > >> Steve
> > > >>
> > > >>> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:15:24 -0700
> > > >>> From: [email protected]
> > > >>> To: [email protected]
> > > >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hello all
> > > >>> I just noticed that the Amberola 75 I purchased at the APS show a
> > > >>> couple of
> > > > weeks ago is serial numbered SM - - - 7072. The three dashes appear on
> > > > the ID
> > > > plate. I had not noticed this on other machines. Is this a low serial
> > > > number?
> > > >>> Also, the drawers do not have the clips for record boxes in them as
> > > >>> did my
> > > > last 75. I thought at first that the drawers were replacements, but on
> > > > close
> > > > inspection they seem to be original, with no screw holes for the clips.
> > > > Can
> > > > anyone enlighten me? Did the earlier machines not have the clips? Or
> > > > did the
> > > > earlier ones HAVE the clips and later ones don't?
> > > >>> Thanks
> > > >>> John Robles
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