Thanks for the info, as far as I know Bill's wife Wendy, who is now Co-President of Mocaps (The Massachusetts Old Colony Antique Phonograph Society), still has his complete collection, and I have not heard that she has any intention (at least at this point) of parting with it. There is a meeting is a meeting scheduled at her house sometime in September.
Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Medved" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:32:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number & M Reproducer Serial Number) Hello Bruce, The serial numbers are hand stamped so the number size can vary. The lettering on the reproducers was machine stamped. Edison is the king of variety so I would love photos of your M and the serial number. I send you three e-mails with photos, let me know if you got them. The earliest M I know of has the flat K type weight with the serial number on the sound tube. The L and M share serial numbers, the L started off the series, the M joined in then dropped out and the L finished. The final L has the stylus bar held in with a pin not a screw. It was 10381, it was owned by Bill Floyd who was very nice about sending me photos. I wonder who would up with his collection? Steve > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:24:01 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number & > M Reproducer Serial Number) > > Thanks for the Information Steve. The Serial Number on the Diamond B is > 21708. Also since you are the official guru of Serial Number details, the > serial number on the M Reproducer > on my Amberola 1A is 3810. Curiously the number 38 is much smaller than the > 10, like they may have been put on at two different time periods. This M is > the earlier style with the round > weight. > > Bruce > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steven Medved" <[email protected]> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:27:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers > > Hello Bruce, > > I estimate that less than 2,000 of the N-56 reproducers were made. They were > optional for the V and VI's made before the fire when the regular N was found > not to work. They were obsolete reproducers made to play wax Amberols. Edison > still made and sold wax records until the fire although no new 2 minute > titles were made after Sept 1912. He was puzzled at what to do about this > until the fire did it for him. Wax records were easy to make and very > profitable. > > The two hardest to find N reproducers are the trowel weight and the N-56. The > N-56 was made from June 1913 to the fire of 1914. The trowel weight N came > out around the time the trowel weight O did and does not have the lift pillar > for the Amberola 5 and 6 lift lever as those machines were not yet made. > > When the R and S reproducers were no longer made Edison used the tops stamped > with R and S serial numbers to make N-56 reproducers, thus the N-56 is found > with R&S and O&N serial numbers. > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:00:14 +0000 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > No, I don't have and N-56 for it to play the earlier wax amberolas. Those > > must be very uncommon. I will get you the serial number for the Diamond B > > though. > > > > Thanks for the reply, > > > > Bruce > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Steven Medved" <[email protected]> > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:52:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers > > > > Hello Bruce, > > > > What is the serial number of the reproducer on your machine and do you have > > a N-56 for it? > > > > I am trying to get an idea of serial numbers of the Diamond B reproducers > > from 1914. > > > > Steve > > > > > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:47:54 +0000 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers > > > > > > Do you have the same information on the Amberola V ? Mine is serial > > > number 845 . > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Andrew Baron" <[email protected]> > > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:04:08 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers > > > > > > Thanks Al for these serial numbers. It's great to be able to put my > > > Amberola 50 in context of the total production, not only of its own > > > model, but of the series as a whole. > > > > > > Andrew Baron > > > > > > On Aug 25, 2013, at 12:14 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The highest Amberola 30 I recorded is just below 344000. The highest > > > > Amberola 50 I have recorded is just over 43000. The highest Amberola 75 > > > > in my data mine is just over 21000. So, Steve Medved's reproducer > > > > number is in the ballpark for production figures... > > > > Regards to all, > > > > Al > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Andrew Baron <[email protected]> > > > > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:49 pm > > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Steve ~ Do you have a sense of whether my nickel Diamond C > > > > reproducer 48233 > > > > would be original to my Amberola 50 Serial #5662? Also, any idea when > > > > the > > > > Diamond C went from nickel to black paint (year and serial number, more > > > > or > > > > less)? > > > > > > > > At a glance it seems the serial number of my Diamond C is way too high > > > > for my > > > > machine unless one factors in the greater number of Amberola 30's being > > > > produced. Still seems like a high reproducer number for the 4-digit > > > > machine > > > > serial number, but I'd like to get your opinion. This Amberola 50 is > > > > otherwise > > > > one of the best-preserved I've seen, decent and original outside, mint > > > > under the > > > > lid, very quiet and smooth "low mile" motor, etc. > > > > > > > > Andrew Baron > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 24, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > > > > > > >> It is a fairly low serial number, I worked on Amberola 30 number 137. > > > >> My 50 > > > > is SM - - - 7488. I believe the 30 50 and 75 all had their own serial > > > > numbers > > > > as 137 had reproducer serial number 307 on it. SM is spring motor and > > > > number > > > > 137 did not have that on the ID plate. > > > >> > > > >> I believe just under 310,000 of the 30 50 and 75, 60, and 80's were > > > >> made as I > > > > have not seen a Diamond D reproducer over 310,000. > > > >> > > > >> Steve > > > >> > > > >>> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:15:24 -0700 > > > >>> From: [email protected] > > > >>> To: [email protected] > > > >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers > > > >>> > > > >>> Hello all > > > >>> I just noticed that the Amberola 75 I purchased at the APS show a > > > >>> couple of > > > > weeks ago is serial numbered SM - - - 7072. The three dashes appear on > > > > the ID > > > > plate. I had not noticed this on other machines. Is this a low serial > > > > number? > > > >>> Also, the drawers do not have the clips for record boxes in them as > > > >>> did my > > > > last 75. I thought at first that the drawers were replacements, but on > > > > close > > > > inspection they seem to be original, with no screw holes for the clips. > > > > Can > > > > anyone enlighten me? Did the earlier machines not have the clips? 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