Hi everyone,

I found the talk about Apache vs IIS boring. I run both and only look at
maybe once a month, and ditto with IIS Service Manager. It's just
that helps me do interesting things.

And .NET and PHP both allow me to do interesting things.

In some ways .NET is playing catch up technically with PHP. It fixes some
limitations such as

1. File upload support that doesn't require a 3rd party OCX.
2. Creating GIF/PNG/JPEG images dynamically.
3. Performing HTTP/HTTPS/FTP requests without a 3rd party OCX.

ASP never had a very deep library of standard web code (that's why an
in 3rd party OCX's developed) and .NET has finally caught up.

Where .NET appears ahead of the game is

1. database technology (they have had leadership in this area since creating
ODBC, OLEDB, and now ADO+ Disconnected Recordsets) and everyone
has been following them...

2. web components that are higher level than <input> tags such as grids
and radio button groups, creating the building blocks for a future Visual
than can generate web code instead of windows code with a flick of a switch
(bet you that this will only work with IE).

3. language independence, but no PHP support yet -- pity.

4. support for .NET at the OS level unless the courts decide to restrict

5. they have more money to spend...

Should anyone be frightened by the future? Not really unless you believe
that Microsoft and the rest of the software world cannot co-exist. There
always be people who will support and fund alternative solutions to .NET.
you can always talk to .NET with SOAP anyway.

Lastly you can't hold back the great programmers behind PHP...The tools are
in our hands to build even more wonderful toys...

-- John

"Gavin Sherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Brian Moon wrote:
> > Could someone please tell me what other then marketing speak that .NET
> > on PHP?  I guess I just don't see it.  I mean, yeah, if you want to
> > junk at a fast pace you can use MS products.  I was a VB programmer for
> > years.  I know the reliability and performance cost of doing things the
> > way.  I just don't get it.  It is all 1's and 0's.
> What does .NET have on PHP? I was going to write a long diatribe about the
> kinds of programmers there are in the world and why some need to drive
> fast, expensive and impressive sounding cars when the others just find the
> most appropriate means of transport... but it doesn't really matter.
> NET is just another commercial phenomena aiming to achieve what all
> commercial phenomena do: capture the market, make lots of money, control
> the future direction of the market etc. But for the most part, this is
> irrelevant to PHP. It is only important when people begin to ask, am I
> betting my future as a programmer on the wrong thing? Whether you're a PHP
> user, a .NET guru or both the answer is probably. But PHP is already
> remarkably successful, PHP cannot go away. .NET at present is just a
> vortical riot of opinion, choreographed by idiots.

I program both in ASP/PHP. Does that make me an idiot or polymath genius, or
someone with poor taste? :-)

> So what does .NET have on PHP? Marketing hype, nothing else. Open Source
> systems have always shown that they can quickly evolve and match new
> technologies introduced into the industry. If .NET offers anything
> properly useful to developers, we will no doubt see it refined,
> conceptually, and implemented in open programmatic systems.

Good point, Gavin.

> Gavin

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