On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:

>  layout with some logic. For many of those, PHP is / was the first
>  programming language they learned.

    I wonder if that's good or bad thing? :)
 
>  There are also a number of people for whom the above is not enough.
>  They strive for the possibilities the Java platform offers, without
>  being forced to develop in a closed-source environment. As I said
>  before, I really like Java as a language, but don't want to use the
>  Java platform for technical and non-technical reasons.

    I'm not that familiar with Java..so it would be nice to hear
    what Java offers that PHP doesn't?
        
>  If it were not for the "Community Experience" I get working with / on 
>  PHP and the fact that I don't do programming for a living (yet), I 
>  think I would've abandoned PHP a time ago.

    That "Community Experience" doesn't really exist anymore, IMHO.
    Or is it just because the IT bubble burst? :)

>  Like Shane, I believe that there's no contradiction in keeping PHP
>  as easy to use as it has been since its conception, while also
>  addressing the needs of the more advanced PHP developers.

    So what really ARE the needs of more advanced developers?
    (I'm starting to sound like a broken record now :)
    
    --Jani
    


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