Fellow FIG list members, we have been trolled.
PSR-8 is a non-issue, non-entity, with no activity. It was an April
Fools joke cum running gag, in which Paul was an active participant as
Sponsor. Why did Paul bring it up right now? Of all times? And with an
obviously baiting subject line? It's not at all possible that it has
something to with the Editor of PSR-8 being me, and Paul and I being the
strongest voices on each side on FIG 3? Even though Paul was until a
few days ago the Sponsor for PSR-8, meaning he was "in on the joke" from
the beginning?
No, that couldn't possibly be the reason. Not in the least.
That there is no way to withdraw/abandon a PSR right now isn't even a
question. A simple look at the bylaws will tell you that, and Paul was
at the meeting at ZendCon last year where we discussed that. We even
wrote up a proposed abandonment process in the same writeup that
included the initial secretaries proposal. You can find that here,
towards the end:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/php-fig/pxezV88Uk1I/eW3GvtPRCgAJ
That never turned into a bylaw, so no, there's no current PSR
abandonment process. The Secretaries apparently looked at each other at
some point and went "yep, there isn't." This hardly requires a public
vote; it's acknowledging what was already public knowledge, written up
on the list, and discussed at the ZendCon meeting.
FIG 3 included an abandonment process based on that discussion. (I
believe the time-frames are a bit different, but it's the same spirit.)
While working on FIG 3, Michael and I noticed that the odds of PSR-8
being able to field a 5 person working group and show activity every few
months were small, so it would almost certainly get abandoned
automatically. We basically said ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
That doesn't mean we should have a vote for something the bylaws don't
currently allow for anyway. And no, as Editor of PSR-8 I do not support
such a vote.
Adam, the "tone" to which you refer is Paul's repeated paranoid
delusions that the Secretaries have formed some sort of cabal to steal
power from voting reps such as himself. It's been a refrain of his
since May and the Pixie vote (where the secretaries did goof and
corrected themselves and apologized within hours), and as far as this
voting representative sees it constitutes continual ongoing harassment.
The secretaries, and Michael in particular, can barely breathe without
Paul demanding that they somehow bow to his account. And now they're
not "Secretaries" (their proper title), but "secretarial assistants", a
verbal demotion that serves no purpose other than to further undermine them.
"This silly discussion of whether the secretaries over-stepped again",
as you describe it, exists precisely because the person who is so fond
of declaring there's too much "drama", and that a serious bylaws
proposal to adapt FIG to modern reality constitutes "drama", himself has
made a habit of causing "drama" every time the secretaries do, well,
anything other than merge a PR. No, the secretaries didn't "over-step"
here, because they didn't do anything at all! This is a 100%
manufactured non-issue that itself serves absolutely no purpose
whatsoever except to cause more discord, strife, and heartburn from an
open hypocrite.
If anything, Michael and Samantha have been saintly in their restraint
in the face of this harassment campaign.
This entire thread, and the would-be "pre-vote" thread, is pure noise
serving no purpose whatsoever other than to troll the rest of the list,
create strife, and goad Paul's opponents into saying something he can
pounce on. Again.
If you want to know why people are getting fed up with FIG of late, this
thread is exhibit A.
--Larry Garfield
On 09/11/2016 09:05 AM, Adam Culp wrote:
Samantha,
I think you and Michael are applying a certain "tone", and taking
offense, with Paul's question of whether the group was aware and
involved in what could have been a decision making discussion, or if
it was only the secretaries. This is a voting members right to ask.
Paul, and others, have made it clear that secretary actions should be
monitored, based on past incidences. Not only should secretaries
properly moderate this list, as their duty, but members should also
moderate the secretaries to ensure they do not overstep again.
While I do feel the PSR-8 discussion should have been posted to a
broader audience I do not feel it was necessarily handled
inappropriately this time, because no actual decisions were imposed.
So let's move on, unless someone feels it should continue for some reason.
All,
This silly discussion of whether the secretaries over-stepped again
really shouldn't be happening, in this case, because PSR-8 shouldn't
exist. The topic of PSR-8 has come up many times over the past couple
years. It was cute, but we need to move on. We should be able to shrug
it off as the joke it was. Let's stop applying the rules of "serious"
PSRs to such a thing and get rid of it.
Regards,
Adam
On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 9:42:52 PM UTC-4, Samantha Quiñones
wrote:
Paul,
I already talked about this in the other thread. Continually
antagonizing Michael is not an appropriate way of addressing
whatever issues you may have with the way he conducts himself as a
secretary of this organization. Likewise, attempting to press your
definition of our role as secretaries by repeating it ad nauseum
is not an appropriate way of addressing your disagreement with how
it has been described and executed. You are a voting member of
this organization and you are free to bring these matters up for a
discussion and vote as you see fit. What you cannot do is abuse
this mailing list, and your colleagues in the organization, to
drive a personal agenda. It shouldn't be necessary for the
secretaries to moderate your messages to this group.
Please stop.
Thanks,
Samantha
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